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View Poll Results: What are your freelings the son's pre-existence?
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I think the son existed only in the plan of God before the incarnation.
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I don't thing the son existed at all before the incarnation.
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I think that the son existed in some manner with the Father before the incarnation.
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None of these explain my feelings. I will comment below.
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11-09-2011, 11:32 AM
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Re: The Pre-Existence Of The Son
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
Theo=God
phanies=appearances
God chose to make himself visible at times thus the word materialized in a form when needed then returned back to word. Thus the Logos was made visible. In the Incarnation the Word BECAME flesh not appeared as flesh.
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Thank you kindly.
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11-09-2011, 11:47 AM
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Re: The Pre-Existence Of The Son
The Son, the Christ, existed WITH His God and Father before His incarnation.
The Son, the Christ did not exist as His own God and Father before His incarnation.
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11-09-2011, 11:48 AM
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Re: The Pre-Existence Of The Son
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Originally Posted by seekerman
The Son, the Christ, existed WITH His God and Father before His incarnation.
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what was his job/function before his incarnation?
was he a disembodied spirit?
did he perform any God like functions?
was he just hanging around waiting to be born?
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11-09-2011, 11:54 AM
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Re: The Pre-Existence Of The Son
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Originally Posted by Amanah
what was his job/function before his incarnation?
was he a disembodied spirit?
did he perform any God like functions?
was he just hanging around waiting to be born?
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No, He wasn't just hanging around. He made appearances throughout the OT but more than that, He was whom His Father used to co-create all creation.
After His short sojourn on earth 2000 years ago, He again enjoyed the relationship with His God and Father which He had enjoyed before His incarnation. He was with His God and Father before His incarnation and He's currently with His God and Father. He isn't His own God and Father, they're two separate and distinct entities.
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11-09-2011, 11:57 AM
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Re: The Pre-Existence Of The Son
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Originally Posted by seekerman
No, He wasn't just hanging around. He made appearances throughout the OT but more than that, He was whom His Father used to co-create all creation.
After His short sojourn on earth 2000 years ago, He again enjoyed the relationship with His God and Father which He had enjoyed before His incarnation. He was with His God and Father before His incarnation and He's currently with His God and Father. He isn't His own God and Father, they're two separate and distinct entities.
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so he performed functions that are God like, i.e. creation, and he appears as theophanies? and he was sacrificed for sins, anything else he did?
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11-09-2011, 11:58 AM
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Re: The Pre-Existence Of The Son
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so he performed functions that are God like, i.e. creation, and he appears as theophanies? and he was sacrificed for sins, anything else he did?
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That's a good start, don't you think? 
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11-09-2011, 12:00 PM
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Re: The Pre-Existence Of The Son
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That's a good start, don't you think? |
yeah, but if you can perform acts of God and appear as God, how is it that you are not God?
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11-09-2011, 12:03 PM
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Re: The Pre-Existence Of The Son
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yeah, but if you can perform acts of God and appear as God, how is it that you are not God?
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It's because His God and Father gave Him all power and authority. His God and Father was the giver and He, Jesus the Christ, was the recipient.
Jesus was nothing without His God and Father and the position which He enjoyed and strictly because of the actions of His God and Father toward Him.
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11-09-2011, 12:08 PM
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Re: The Pre-Existence Of The Son
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Originally Posted by seekerman
The Son, the Christ, existed WITH His God and Father before His incarnation.
The Son, the Christ did not exist as His own God and Father before His incarnation.
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John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
You agree with "the WORD was with God" and then you throw out the last part of the sentence...
Phil 2
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Again, Christ is EQUAL with God. He's not just some type of surbodinate.
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11-09-2011, 12:14 PM
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Re: The Pre-Existence Of The Son
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