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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

No ... I think there is a divergent view ... Phillips is very PAJC ... I still dont have a handle on Hutchin soteriological views although our church belief statement is similars to West's ... also those who are joining the New Church Order are not all Acts 2:38 folks.

I will say this much. When I saw KPhillips he was a very nice man. He seemed to bereal. Huchins was a little different but not in a bad way. West was there in LA but a long time ago. I don't remember much of him.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

FROM CHURCH BELIEF STATEMENT:

Salvation

We believe that Jesus Christ, by His sufferings, by the shedding of His own blood, and by His death on the Cross, made a full atonement for all human sin, and that this Atonement is the only ground of salvation! We believe that repentance, which is a sincere and thorough change of the mind in regard to sin, involving a sense of personal guilt and a voluntary turning away from sin, is demanded of all who have by act or purpose become sinners against God. The Spirit of God gives to all who will repent the gracious help of penitence of heart and hope of mercy, that they may believe unto pardon and spiritual life, walking in obedience to the Word of God.

Water Baptism
Christians are people who believe that the blood of Jesus Christ, shed on the cross, provides the sole basis for the forgiveness of sin. Therefore, salvation occurs only when a person places his or her faith in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the sufficient payment for his or her sin. The Church of Champions believe that all believers, in obedience to God’s Word are to be baptized by immersion in the Name of The Lord, thus being buried with Christ in baptism, which was commanded by our Lord Jesus Christ himself, being a command signifying acceptance of the benefits of the atonement and faith in Jesus Christ.

So Brother Wendell doesn't believe it takes the full New Birth to be saved anymore?

Has Suber also accepted this?

[The Dean]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

So Brother Wendell doesn't believe it takes the full New Birth to be saved anymore?

Has Suber also accepted this?

Your up awfully late tonight! Or awfully early this morning.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

No ... I think there is a divergent view ... Phillips is very PAJC ... I still dont have a handle on Hutchin soteriological views although our church belief statement is similars to West's ... also those who are joining the New Church Order are not all Acts 2:38 folks.

You attend his church but you don't "have a a handle" on what he thinks it takes to be saved?

Come on!

What kind of deal is that?

I'll promise you that anybody who somes where I pastor a time or two will have no doubt about my "soteriolgical views."

What in the world is a church for if not for helping people get saved?

How long have you been going to that church and not really knowing what your pastor believes about the plan of salvation? What is he preaching and teaching, if he never makes his "soteriological views" clear enough to "get a handle" on?

That is one of the most bizarre statements I have ever read.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by The Dean

Your up awfully late tonight! Or awfully early this morning.

Thou sayest.

Actually I went to bed fairly early and woke up a while ago unable to sleep.

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

No ... I think there is a divergent view ... Phillips is very PAJC ... I still dont have a handle on Hutchin soteriological views although our church belief statement is similars to West's ... also those who are joining the New Church Order are not all Acts 2:38 folks.

Nor are they all Oneness! I have also found a weakening of the PAJC position in Bro. Phillips statements lately.

I am watching the NCO closely. As a moderately conservative independent that past life circumstances have disqualified from ministerial fellowship in the UPCI or con/ultra con camps, i am always looking for opportunities to fellowship and the NCO appears to be a possibility.

I will continue to watch.

[Barb]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

PCI refers to the Pentecostal Church Incorporated .... which merged with the PAJC to form the UPCI .... some in the PCI did not hold the tradtional Acts 2:38 postion ... for more info go to:

Christianity without the Cross

By the bolded statment above do you mean that they weren't of the PAJC belief or they didn't hold to Acts 2:38 at all?! It has been proven over and over that they did preach and teach baptism and Spirit infilling...

Originally Posted by Barb

By the bolded statment above do you mean that they weren't of the PAJC belief or they didn't hold to Acts 2:38 at all?! It has been proven over and over that they did preach and teach baptism and Spirit infilling...

Sis. Barb,

It appears to me that he is referring to the PCI position that salvation occurs at repentance and anyone who is saved will be baptized and will be filled with the Holy Ghost.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

You attend his church but you don't "have a a handle" on what he thinks it takes to be saved?

Come on!

What kind of deal is that?

I'll promise you that anybody who somes where I pastor a time or two will have no doubt about my "soteriolgical views."

What in the world is a church for if not for helping people get saved?

How long have you been going to that church and not really knowing what your pastor believes about the plan of salvation? What is he preaching and teaching, if he never makes his "soteriological views" clear enough to "get a handle" on?

That is one of the most bizarre statements I have ever read.

CS,

What is bizarre is that you have tried to beat this horse before ....

If you would like to know what the church states as its beliefs .... it's spelled out clearly ... http://champ.org/info.asp?cid=9



BTW, there are folks coming to Christ at our church weekly .... Many are being restored through Emmaus ....

I have been attending since mid November of last year.... and they believe and preach Acts 2:38, and the rest of the Bible too.

I've also realized that not all churches have an Acts 2:38 parade every week .... to reaffirm just one of the many truths about God.

I have not attended our visitor's class .... since I've been saved since 1981 .... but if you would like me to forward you a copy .... I could.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by philjones

Nor are they all Oneness! I have also found a weakening of the PAJC position in Bro. Phillips statements lately.

I am watching the NCO closely. As a moderately conservative independent that past life circumstances have disqualified from ministerial fellowship in the UPCI or con/ultra con camps, i am always looking for opportunities to fellowship and the NCO appears to be a possibility.

I will continue to watch.

We had a wonderful and diverse Christmas banquet ... you would've loved it .... I have joined ... this loose fellowship ....