I see there are three views in the "hate" camps concerning Jesus saying to hate your family. 1) It means what it says, hate means to hate, as God hated the deeds of the Nicoliatans. 2) It's explained away by hyperbole. 3) It's a wrong word to be used in today's world. It should be changed to "love less".
Anyway, I was attempting to get back to the God is Love topic of the thread. I was actually speaking of the actions toward your enemies. You love them and kill them or was this just hyperbole?
Wrong again
First of all a Hyperbole assumes it means what it says. That is the nature of a hyperbole.
Second it's not "explained away". Anyone with half a brain understands there are types of speech. Jesus used a type of speech called a Parable, many times.
Jesus entered this world in a time when Greeks had exerted much influence on discourse. Rhetorical arguments came from the greeks and are used in scriptures "Do all speak with tongues?"
Parables too are parts of speech
Hyperboles are just one of those kinds of speech people used to make a point
Why would Jesus tell us on the one hand to honor father and mother and on the other hate them?
Just as He used Parables to teach a greater lesson, he used hypeboles and rhetorical questions to make others
Here the lesson is about your Love for Jesus, your desire to follow Jesus must be greater than your desire to remain away with the family
BTW did Jesus really mean we need to eat his skin or was he using a type of speech again?
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There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
It seems lately so many arguments against well-held truths of the bible have been relegated away to nonsense by people who are not realizing we are 2000 years away from, and half a world of distance from, and an extremely different culture away from, and totally differen idioms and languages from the bible writings. And they think that reading the bible tthrough North Americanized 21st century lenses can let them know what is silly and what is sensible. Okaaaaay....
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
It seems lately so many arguments against well-held truths of the bible have been relegated away to nonsense by people who are not realizing we are 2000 years away from, and half a world of distance from, and an extremely different culture away from, and totally differen idioms and languages from the bible writings. And they think that reading the bible tthrough North Americanized 21st century lenses can let them know what is silly and what is sensible. Okaaaaay....
That's what I keep telling Acerrak.
Hermeneutics
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
Matthew 19:29
And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
Matthew 19:29
And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.
That's not a command
The word means to "leave" or "Go away from"... Mat 19:29 And whoever has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life.
The Apostles did that when they became Missionaries for Jesus, not just traveling with him but going out and preaching to other people
__________________ Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
there is a difference in bad and good hermenuetics, listening to a rehash of the debate with david bernard and dr white, yea and looking at history and the thought.
i can see where many bad hermenuetics are used. and what some believe to be good biblical truths is more of traditions,
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