Obama and Israel's pre-1967 Borders

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

That language has been used by Clinton, GWB and Obama long before the speech in question.


That's what I am trying to discuss-- the fact that Netanyahu and others already KNEW that Obama was not talking about giving up Jerusalem or sacrificing the safety of major Iaraeli population centers.

While proposals, in the past, had been based on 1967 lines, it was never demanded by Bush or Clinton. This is the first President to demand it.

And the article you quoted is by Joe Klein, from the Times, who was giddy that the recent win in NY (Hochul/Corwin) was a win for Socialism. Please!

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

While proposals, in the past, had been based on 1967 lines, it was never demanded by Bush or Clinton. This is the first President to demand it.

And the article you quoted is by Joe Klein, from the Times, who was giddy that the recent win in NY (Hochul/Corwin) was a win for Socialism. Please!

So we invalidate truth because of the speaker?


Did Netanyahu purposely twist Obama's words to imply what he already knew that Obama did not intend?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

So we invalidate truth because of the speaker?


Did Netanyahu purposely twist Obama's words to imply what he already knew that Obama did not intend?

He doesn't want someone telling Israel what they need to do especially now when Hamas is joining up with Fatah. Like he told Obama, the USA won't support al-Qaeda, why would Israel support Hamas?

Israel is our major Democratic ally in the Middle East. We should always be on their side, first and foremost.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

He doesn't want someone telling Israel what they need to do especially now when Hamas is joining up with Fatah. Like he told Obama, the USA won't support al-Qaeda, why would Israel support Hamas?

Israel is our major Democratic ally in the Middle East. We should always be on their side, first and foremost.

Did Netanyahu twist Obama's words to imply what he knew Obama wasn't saying?

If yes, what was his purpose in doing so?

What does Israel get out of trying to manipulate American politics?


In light of the TRUTH that Obama told Netanyahu EVERYTHING in his speech before he gave it, is Netanyahu's behavior the behavior of someone that we're supposed to trust?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Did Netanyahu twist Obama's words to imply what he knew Obama wasn't saying?

If yes, what was his purpose in doing so?

What does Israel get out of trying to manipulate American politics?


In light of the TRUTH that Obama told Netanyahu EVERYTHING in his speech before he gave it, is Netanyahu's behavior the behavior of someone that we're supposed to trust?

My opinion is that Netanyahu was speaking to the American people in that interview, who he knew, would largely be on his side.

I don't believe we should be demanding Israel to do anything to put itself in jeopardy. We should be demanding things from the Palestinians. They are the ones using Gaza to wage the war on terrorism. They are the ones strapping bombs on men, women and children. That is not Israel doing this.

He isn't twisting Obama's words. He is pushing against the "demand". No other Administration has made the "demand" and that is the issue, Jermyn.

[GISG]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

This article shows that Bibi Netanyahu WILLFULLY misrepresented President Obama's (albeit unclear) intent when he made this speech. http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/2011052...RiaWJpZ2Fpbg-- I am at work and will dialogue with anyone who reads it, but just not right now. It is a VERY interesting read-- and it would not be the first time for Israeli politicians to attempt to manipulate American politics. It wasn't that long ago that Israel was found to have SPIES in America! Anyhoo....

From the author: with mutually agreed-upon land swaps that would enable Israel to incorporate the vast majority of its - dare I say - illegal settlements into its territory while giving over equal amounts of Israeli turf to the Palestinians.

This man is as biased as he accuses Bibi of being. He's a leftist with the worldview that leftists carry towards Jews.

What about the fact that the palestinians turned down the previous offers with all the "land swaps:?

Absoltuley nothing will change the fact that it's the goal of Israel's enemies to destroy her and in the process rid the world of the Jews. That's the bottom line, JD.

You might want to research what BO's previous pastor (Wright) thinks and teaches about "Jews" and remember BO sat under that man's ministry for 20 years.

[Jermyn Davidson]

He willfully twisted Obama's intent.


Obama could have been clearer, to ensure that his stance could never have been misrepresented in the first place.

Obama could avoided all of this-- this is his own fault as the burden of communication rests on his shoulders.


Still, this doesn't negate the fact that Netanyahu willfully twisted the meaning of Obama's speech when Obama spoke with him directly before making the speech.



That is a very dirty way to handle business.


Obama never intended for Israel to hand over Jerusalem to the Palestinians and Netanyahu KNEW this in advance!

Obama never intended for Israel to establish borders that will endanger the major population centers of Israel.

Netanyahu KNEW this before he gave his response.
Natanyahu KNEW Obama's intents before Obama gave his speech.

[GISG]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

He willfully twisted Obama's intent.


Obama could have been clearer, to ensure that his stance could never have been misrepresented in the first place.

Obama could avoided all of this-- this is his own fault as the burden of communication rests on his shoulders.


Still, this doesn't negate the fact that Netanyahu willfully twisted the meaning of Obama's speech when Obama spoke with him directly before making the speech.



That is a very dirty way to handle business.


Obama never intended for Israel to hand over Jerusalem to the Palestinians and Netanyahu KNEW this in advance!

Obama never intended for Israel to establish borders that will endanger the major population centers of Israel.

Netanyahu KNEW this before he gave his response.
Natanyahu KNEW Obama's intents before Obama gave his speech.

Just maybe the leader of a soverign nation didn't like the "demand" part.

How would BO like it if the president of Mexico "demanded" he give back portions of the southern US?

I think Klein and yourself are making this a bigger issue for reasons I can only understand of Klein.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by GISG

Just maybe the leader of a soverign nation didn't like the "demand" part.

How would BO like it if the president of Mexico "demanded" he give back portions of the southern US?

I think Klein and yourself are making this a bigger issue for reasons I can only understand of Klein.

The issue for me is the message that believed after Obama gave his speech initially.

The issue is the idea that Obama "threw Israel under the bus" when this is furthest from the truth.

[GISG]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

The issue for me is the message that believed after Obama gave his speech initially.

The issue is the idea that Obama "threw Israel under the bus" when this is furthest from the truth.

Not furthest. In light of politics, he didn't throw her totally under.