Taxing the rich wont work.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Seascapes

Not all republicans are bad, just unlearned. See I was like your friend and voted for McCain, then I found out what I was told on President Obama was lies, and now I wished that I had voted for President Obama. Even though he won the election, I know that I voted on the wrong party. I will vote for President Obama in 2012. I believe that you must think that Democrats are evil and Republicans are good, like coadie and sandie. I just stand on the issues that helps the American people, Social Security, Medicare, Disability, Medicaid, Public Schools, and all the other programs that helps the working middle class. If the republican party was for these programs, then they would be good also, but they are not. Even yesterday they voted to kill Medicare.

They did not vote to kill medicare, good grief. Republicans are FOR those programs. Their concern is HOW to fund them. Your concern is not it seems. That's what the real issue is

We are trillions in debt and both sides are to blame.

Taxing the rich won't help. We've over spent our income as a nation. We need to cut spending.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Seascapes

Praxeas, I guess you did not hear the news yesterday, the republicans voted to kill Medicare, the budget plan that was passed yesterday.

First of all that has nothing to do with the point about WAR.

Second they did not vote to kill medicare. They might have voted for cut backs but remember it was a republican president that made the sweeping changes in Medicare spending for prescriptions.

The hard cold facts are, our nation is in debt. Both contributed. Taxing the rich won't fix it

[Seascapes]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

First of all that has nothing to do with the point about WAR.

Second they did not vote to kill medicare. They might have voted for cut backs but remember it was a republican president that made the sweeping changes in Medicare spending for prescriptions.

The hard cold facts are, our nation is in debt. Both contributed. Taxing the rich won't fix it

Did you read my post to sandie about the budget that was passed Friday? I still have the website if you want it. What were the sweeping changes in Medicare spending for prescriptions? Taxing the rich, fixed in under President Clinton, then Bush squandered the surplus, I believe it was like 62 Billion dollars. Then Bush gave the wealthiest Americans a tax break that has been going on for over 10 years. We all know that Praxeas, it has been told on ALL news media.

About the wars, I do not remember a war under President Clinton, it must have not been something major.

By the way here is the post again about the Republicans budget that will eventually do away with Medicare......

Ryan budget plan passes House; only 4 GOP reps vote no

The House has passed a FY2012 budget plan that would cut trillions in spending over the next decade and fundamentally transform the current Medicare system.

The vote in favor of the budget proposed by Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wisc., could prove politically perilous for some Republicans, who are likely to be painted by political opponents as insensitive to older voters who favor the current Medicare system.

But ultimately, only four Republicans voted against the measure, which includes a proposal to gradually transition the current Medicare system into a government-funded voucher program for seniors to purchase private health insurance.

All Democrats opposed the Republican budget.

Republicans voting against the Ryan plan were Reps. Ron Paul of Texas, Walter Jones of North Carolina, David McKinley of West Virginia, and Denny Rehberg of Montana.

In a February 2011 NBC/WSJ poll, half of respondents said that replacing Medicare with a voucher system was an “unacceptable” method to address the nation’s deficit, while 44 percent called the idea "acceptable."

Rep. Steve Israel, the campaign chairman charged with leading the committee to elect more House Democrats in 2012 , said this afternoon that his party will use the vote in campaign ads against vulnerable Republicans who support the Ryan plan. “We're going to hold every single Republican accountable for choosing to protect the special interest and turning their back on America's senior citizens by terminating their Medicare benefit,” he told ABC.

Earlier Friday, Democrats used a surprise strategy to force a close vote on a budget proposed by the Republican Study Committee, a caucus of conservatives in the house. Shouting and finger-pointing erupted on the House floor as Democrats voted “present” rather than ‘nay’ on that budget proposal in the effort to embarrass the GOP into approving a plan other than Ryan’s. The RSC budget narrowly failed.

The Ryan plan is not expected to pass the Senate.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news...p-reps-vote-no

[sandie]

Originally Posted by Seascapes

Ryan budget plan passes House; only 4 GOP reps vote no

The House has passed a FY2012 budget plan that would cut trillions in spending over the next decade and fundamentally transform the current Medicare system.

The vote in favor of the budget proposed by Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wisc., could prove politically perilous for some Republicans, who are likely to be painted by political opponents as insensitive to older voters who favor the current Medicare system.

But ultimately, only four Republicans voted against the measure, which includes a proposal to gradually transition the current Medicare system into a government-funded voucher program for seniors to purchase private health insurance.

All Democrats opposed the Republican budget.

Republicans voting against the Ryan plan were Reps. Ron Paul of Texas, Walter Jones of North Carolina, David McKinley of West Virginia, and Denny Rehberg of Montana.

In a February 2011 NBC/WSJ poll, half of respondents said that replacing Medicare with a voucher system was an “unacceptable” method to address the nation’s deficit, while 44 percent called the idea "acceptable."

Rep. Steve Israel, the campaign chairman charged with leading the committee to elect more House Democrats in 2012 , said this afternoon that his party will use the vote in campaign ads against vulnerable Republicans who support the Ryan plan. “We're going to hold every single Republican accountable for choosing to protect the special interest and turning their back on America's senior citizens by terminating their Medicare benefit,” he told ABC.

Earlier Friday, Democrats used a surprise strategy to force a close vote on a budget proposed by the Republican Study Committee, a caucus of conservatives in the house. Shouting and finger-pointing erupted on the House floor as Democrats voted “present” rather than ‘nay’ on that budget proposal in the effort to embarrass the GOP into approving a plan other than Ryan’s. The RSC budget narrowly failed.

The Ryan plan is not expected to pass the Senate.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news...p-reps-vote-no

sandie you need to apologize to me, if you don't then you are a liar, and the truth is not in you.

seascapes, you need to stop telling lies and then accusing others of doing so. But, don't worry, I don't want or expect an apology from you...only God can change a heart.

[Seascapes]

sandie, I have posted the truth and you know it. After all you can read the news.

In your own words, What does this statement mean to you......
"gradually transition the current Medicare system into a government-funded voucher program for seniors to purchase private health insurance."

sandie in your own words, What does this statement mean to you....
"transform the current Medicare system."

It sounds very much like the republicans, except 4, wants to do away with Medicare.

By the way, the next time I am insulted by anyone on this forum, I was told to notify all the ADMINS. So please keep your language to me civil. Do not call me a liar anymore, that is an insult to me. You can call the democrats whatever, but do not imply those words to me. My Father is Jesus Christ, and not the devil.

[sandie]

Originally Posted by Seascapes

sandie, I have posted the truth and you know it. After all you can read the news.

In your own words, What does this statement mean to you......
"gradually transition the current Medicare system into a government-funded voucher program for seniors to purchase private health insurance."

sandie in your own words, What does this statement mean to you....
"transform the current Medicare system."

It sounds very much like the republicans, except 4, wants to do away with Medicare.

By the way, the next time I am insulted by anyone on this forum, I was told to notify all the ADMINS. So please keep your language to me civil. Do not call me a liar anymore, that is an insult to me. You can call the democrats whatever, but do not imply those words to me. My Father is Jesus Christ, and not the devil.

I see, you can call me a liar....and that's okay.
Typical liberal mindset.

In my own words, it does not sound like they want to do away with medicare.
They are trying to save it, they are trying to make it possible for it to be solvent in years to come. But, what's the difference as long as you get yours and I get mine....the up coming generations can just do without.
Because you see, we're in debt up to our ears thanks to entitlement programs, we're borrowing 40 cents of every dollar to pay for these.
Nothing can last at that rate. Nothing.
Not even if the democrats taxed everyone making over 200,000 dollars at a 100% rate.
I have no idea why you refuse to see the truth, but I absolutley don't care at this point.

[Seascapes]

Originally Posted by sandie

I see, you can call me a liar....and that's okay.
Typical liberal mindset.

In my own words, it does not sound like they want to do away with medicare.
They are trying to save it, they are trying to make it possible for it to be solvent in years to come. But, what's the difference as long as you get yours and I get mine....the up coming generations can just do without. Because you see, we're in debt up to our ears thanks to entitlement programs, we're borrowing 40 cents of every dollar to pay for these. Nothing can last at that rate. Nothing. Not even if the democrats taxed everyone making over 200,000 dollars at a 100% rate. I have no idea why you refuse to see the truth, but I absolutley don't care at this point.

Thanks sandie for your post, you really did prove what I have been trying to point out, read your statement in red above. You and the republicans do not care about the next generation, but you see, the Democrats do care. If the Bush tax cuts were stopped, then there would be more money to help our economy. It may not be such a big help right away, after all it has been 10 years that the wealthiest 2% has not been making their contributions.

When or if, the republicans cut out Medicaid, where will the people go that are in the nursing homes or will need nursing home care? These programs benefit us all, without them, our country would be like the ones we see on television, starving, homeless, riots and crime so bad that the prisons can't hold all of the criminals. Is this what you want for the next generation? Not me.

[sandie]

Originally Posted by Seascapes

Thanks sandie for your post, you really did prove what I have been trying to point out, read your statement in red above. You and the republicans do not care about the next generation, but you see, the Democrats do care. If the Bush tax cuts were stopped, then there would be more money to help our economy. It may not be such a big help right away, after all it has been 10 years that the wealthiest 2% has not been making their contributions.

When or if, the republicans cut out Medicaid, where will the people go that are in the nursing homes or will need nursing home care? These programs benefit us all, without them, our country would be like the ones we see on television, starving, homeless, riots and crime so bad that the prisons can't hold all of the criminals. Is this what you want for the next generation? Not me.

Have you never heard of sarcasim?

I usually don't question someone's idenity, but really.....in your case....good grief.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Seascapes

Did you read my post to sandie about the budget that was passed Friday? I still have the website if you want it. What were the sweeping changes in Medicare spending for prescriptions?

Prescription coverage
http://articles.cnn.com/2003-12-08/p...PM:ALLPOLITICS

Taxing the rich, fixed in under President Clinton, then Bush squandered the surplus, I believe it was like 62 Billion dollars.

Taxing the rich? the rich have always been taxed. It's the amount of tax and taxing the rich never fixes anything because there are not enough rich to tax unless you increase tax so unprecidented that it's a an attack on the rich/ class warfare like Hugo Chavez.

The middle class bears the brunt and Busch did not cut taxes on the rich only but on the middle class too! Again, even CNN admits taxing the rich only will do nothing.

What we need is more people working who will in turn pay taxes and buy goods

You need to check up the facts regarding the so called surplus
http://www.craigsteiner.us/articles/16

Then Bush gave the wealthiest Americans a tax break that has been going on for over 10 years. We all know that Praxeas, it has been told on ALL news media.

He gave ALL Americans a tax break! This is leftest propaganda. He did not just give "the wealthiest" a tax break, he gave the middle class and lower middle class a tax break too.

But it was not the taxes that were a problem. It was spending

About the wars, I do not remember a war under President Clinton, it must have not been something major.

Google Clinton and Wars. You will get information on military actions in the Kosovo and Iraq...here is one link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_War

By the way here is the post again about the Republicans budget that will eventually do away with Medicare......

Ryan budget plan passes House; only 4 GOP reps vote no

The House has passed a FY2012 budget plan that would cut trillions in spending over the next decade and fundamentally transform the current Medicare system.

The vote in favor of the budget proposed by Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wisc., could prove politically perilous for some Republicans, who are likely to be painted by political opponents as insensitive to older voters who favor the current Medicare system.

But ultimately, only four Republicans voted against the measure, which includes a proposal to gradually transition the current Medicare system into a government-funded voucher program for seniors to purchase private health insurance.

All Democrats opposed the Republican budget.

Republicans voting against the Ryan plan were Reps. Ron Paul of Texas, Walter Jones of North Carolina, David McKinley of West Virginia, and Denny Rehberg of Montana.

In a February 2011 NBC/WSJ poll, half of respondents said that replacing Medicare with a voucher system was an “unacceptable” method to address the nation’s deficit, while 44 percent called the idea "acceptable."

Rep. Steve Israel, the campaign chairman charged with leading the committee to elect more House Democrats in 2012 , said this afternoon that his party will use the vote in campaign ads against vulnerable Republicans who support the Ryan plan. “We're going to hold every single Republican accountable for choosing to protect the special interest and turning their back on America's senior citizens by terminating their Medicare benefit,” he told ABC.

Earlier Friday, Democrats used a surprise strategy to force a close vote on a budget proposed by the Republican Study Committee, a caucus of conservatives in the house. Shouting and finger-pointing erupted on the House floor as Democrats voted “present” rather than ‘nay’ on that budget proposal in the effort to embarrass the GOP into approving a plan other than Ryan’s. The RSC budget narrowly failed.

The Ryan plan is not expected to pass the Senate.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news...p-reps-vote-no

Give me a link to the Republican proposal. What this is is a liberal polemic full of unsubstantiated assertions. MSNBC is a terrible news source and incredibly biased.

[BeenThinkin]

Originally Posted by Seascapes

sandie, I have posted the truth and you know it. After all you can read the news.

Been Thinkin......
Seascapes, you wouldn't know truth if it slapped you in the face! I still can't believe you are for real! I think you're someone having fun with your ridiculous postings! You said something about not being a Republican; I'm sure the Republican party is proud of that! The Demos are bound to be proud of you though!

Seascapes says....
In your own words, What does this statement mean to you......
"gradually transition the current Medicare system into a government-funded voucher program for seniors to purchase private health insurance."

Been Thinkin says....
Well let's see SS.... gradually.... (Advancing or progressing by regular or continuous degrees) ..... transition (movement, passage, or change from one position, state, stage, subject, concept, etc., to another).

So in answer to your statement in Post #51, (Even yesterday they voted to kill Medicare.) you are not telling the truth. The Medicare & Medicaid Programs are on their way already to being killed because of them going broke. If the Democrats continue on their present path, the programs, along with Social Security, will be killed by your party for lack of attention; the lack of funding. Do you not understand BROKE! NO MONEY! NO WAY TO FUND!

What the Republicans are proposing is ...... "Advancing or progressing by regular or continuous degrees, moving, passing, or changing from one position, state, stage, subject, concept, etc., to another." That says nothing about doing away with or killing. If it ain't working, fix it! And it ain't working, as it should, because it's going broke! In due time, if the Democrats don't get off their high horse and do something Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid will be dead because they refused to fix them, because they are not worried about the older folks, but are worried about their gravy train, GREAT HEALTH PROGRAMS JUST FOR THEM, and a retirement program second to none. Yea, touch Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and they might lose their jobs.


Seascapes said....
sandie in your own words, What does this statement mean to you....
"transform the current Medicare system."

It sounds very much like the republicans, except 4, wants to do away with Medicare.

Been Thinkin says.....
Awe, I see Seascapes, .... transform means to do away with! You transform your looks? You do away with your looks! I see! You transform your health....you do away with your health! You transform your kids.....awe, you do away with your kids. NOW I UNDERSTAND!

Seascapes says....
By the way, the next time I am insulted by anyone on this forum, I was told to notify all the ADMINS. So please keep your language to me civil. Do not call me a liar anymore, that is an insult to me. You can call the democrats whatever, but do not imply those words to me. My Father is Jesus Christ, and not the devil.

Been Thinkin says.....
When do we report your name calling, insulting and dishonesty? You can dish it out but when it comes back in you start whining!
One sure way to stop the insults coming to you, as you call them, is stop all of the asinine posting that you are doing!


There are many other things that you have said that are not true and make no sense! But I'm through wasting my time. You are not going to change and we might as well accept that!

Good day.
Been Thinkin