Acts 2:38

[Sam]

Originally Posted by sandie

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I want to believe the "one" step process, but can't shake the "three step" outlined in God's Word.
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I do enjoy your posts, and was wondering what Scriptures you use to define your beliefs in the "one" step, if you'd like to share that is.
This also explains Mike Hayes beliefs, if you know who that is.
As you can see I tend to ramble...sorry.
God bless.

well, this is not a debate or an attempt to change your mind.

As far as Scriptures to back up the "one-step" I think that the Bible overwhelmingly says that we are justified/saved by faith.
Over and over again it says we are to believe in Jesus.
Baptism is mentioned as a secondary thing because it was a practice in the early church associated with conversion.
I would suggest that you stop "trying" to believe in either the one-step or three-step doctrine.
Don't worry about it. Leave that to God.


Two suggestions:
Read Romans chapters 3 and 4 several times over a period of time. Read them in different translations and see what Paul is saying.
I would also suggest a web site called In Christ Alone.
http://www.inchristalone.org/
There is a lot of stuff on there and some of it is pretty long and tiring
but he is an ex-UPC minister and therefore has some knowledge about the UPC.

Mike Hayes? I don't really know him. He married one of the Parker sisters. They used to sing with their brother as The Parkers quite a few years ago.
Because the girls were were not real thin, some people referred to them as "The Porkers." As far as I know he has left the UPC and would now be considered a "one-stepper." Many years ago when he was going to TBC in Houston he got onto my brother-in-law because he (my brother-in-law) was not UPC but was going to a UPC Bible School. Then another young man from Ohio beat up Mike for getting on my brother-in-law. That was all kid stuff done many years ago.

[sandie]

Originally Posted by Sam

well, this is not a debate or an attempt to change your mind.

Appreciate that.

As far as Scriptures to back up the "one-step" I think that the Bible overwhelmingly says that we are justified/saved by faith.
Over and over again it says we are to believe in Jesus.
Baptism is mentioned as a secondary thing because it was a practice in the early church associated with conversion.
I would suggest that you stop "trying" to believe in either the one-step or three-step doctrine.

Oh, I understand we have to believe first. I believed in Jesus even when I thought I couldn't since I was raised Jewish.
I understand also that we are saved by faith, but Paul also said faith without works is dead.

Don't worry about it. Leave that to God.

Well said. That's exactly what the Lord told me a few days ago..."to let Him worry about it". I just love how He knows exactly what's on our minds and hearts!

Two suggestions:
Read Romans chapters 3 and 4 several times over a period of time. Read them in different translations and see what Paul is saying.
I would also suggest a web site called In Christ Alone.
http://www.inchristalone.org/
There is a lot of stuff on there and some of it is pretty long and tiring
but he is an ex-UPC minister and therefore has some knowledge about the UPC.

Thanks for the tip.

Mike Hayes? I don't really know him. He married one of the Parker sisters. They used to sing with their brother as The Parkers quite a few years ago.
Because the girls were were not real thin, some people referred to them as "The Porkers." As far as I know he has left the UPC and would now be considered a "one-stepper." Many years ago when he was going to TBC in Houston he got onto my brother-in-law because he (my brother-in-law) was not UPC but was going to a UPC Bible School. Then another young man from Ohio beat up Mike for getting on my brother-in-law. That was all kid stuff done many years ago.

I feel like we should know each other...lol! I'm very familiar with the Parkers. Bro. Parker pastored a church near where I live and a dear friend of mine attended his church. He has started a new work in another state.
Mike Hayes has also become trinitarian according to his church's website.
I don't believe in the trinity and never will. Not that I don't or won't associate with them, I attend a Foursquare church now as I can't find an independant oneness church anywhere near where I live.
Thanks again for your replies...appreciate you taking the time.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by sandie

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Mike Hayes has also become trinitarian according to his church's website.
I don't believe in the trinity and never will. Not that I don't or won't associate with them, I attend a Foursquare church now as I can't find an independant oneness church anywhere near where I live.
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I would advise you not to get turned off or scared off by the word "trinity."
"Trinity" means different things to different people.
I don't know what Mike Hayes believes and don't really care but what he calls "trinity" might be very close to, or even the same as, what you call "oneness."

[sandie]

Originally Posted by Sam

I would advise you not to get turned off or scared off by the word "trinity."
"Trinity" means different things to different people.
I don't know what Mike Hayes believes and don't really care but what he calls "trinity" might be very close to, or even the same as, what you call "oneness."

I'm neither scared or turned off. I take responsibility, I'm not very good at making myself clear...I apologize.
I'm of the belief that if God can use a donkey He can use anyone, anywhere, anytime and that's no offense to Mike Hayes, I listen to him on Christian TV channels anytime I see him on there. He's a very impressive man. I've only seen him once in person and then he was preaching the funeral of Bro. Parker's son. He was wonderful in that capacity.
I've carefully read his websites and since I can understand fairly well (lol), he has indeed become trinitarian in it's understood doctrine and like I said, I have no problem with trinitarians, I just don't subscribe to that belief.

[KWSS1976]

All I got to say is the first time the holyghost fell when they spoke in tongues it was an understood language it happened before Acts 2:38...lol

[sandie]

I've been reading past posts on the Yadons. I forget the lettering, PCJ or something like that...I had NO idea the Yadons were/are "one steppers", if that's a correct saying to describe not needing obedience to Acts 2:38. I'm stunned. I sat under Bud Yadon and Loren Yadon for the better part of the '90s and never, ever knew.
So, suffice it to say they do not teach on this...at least not that I ever heard.
Scratch that last part...they do not preach/teach this, I would have heard it. I'm not doubting they don't believe Acts 2:38 as a necessity, I'm just reeling at learning this.

I also knew Hack Yadon and other Yadons and it just never ever came up! Hack Yadon attended the same church I did and dedicated my granddaughter to the Lord. He has since passed on.

How can one sit with, know, fellowship wiht, be taught by and not know how they believe???
Was it me? Was I never listening? I have to mull this over and pray, it really has shook me up to believe one thing and learn another. I love the Yadon's to pieces, and always will, no matter what!
Those Wed. night bible studies with Loren Yadon were priceless, I always felt we were getting a college education for free! I still have every bit of notes I took and all the hand outs he gave us, I miss those studies.
Well, guess I'm rambling again. Thanks to everyone for their input.
God bless.

[missourimary]

One steppers don't disregard the need for baptism and the Holy Ghost. They just don't teach that it's absolutely essential for salvation.

So for instance, if you had a friend that came to your house, the two of you prayed, and she got the Holy Ghost and spoke in tongues for several hours, rejoicing, and then she wanted to be baptized, you could take her to the church, and on the way be hit by a car. Your friend might die in that accident. A staunch three stepper would say she was burning in hell, even if she was still talking in tongues when your car was hit. A one-stepper would say that girl was in Heaven rejoicing with the angels. It isn't that they don't believe the message, they just emphasize grace more.

[sandie]

Originally Posted by missourimary

One steppers don't disregard the need for baptism and the Holy Ghost. They just don't teach that it's absolutely essential for salvation.

So for instance, if you had a friend that came to your house, the two of you prayed, and she got the Holy Ghost and spoke in tongues for several hours, rejoicing, and then she wanted to be baptized, you could take her to the church, and on the way be hit by a car. Your friend might die in that accident. A staunch three stepper would say she was burning in hell, even if she was still talking in tongues when your car was hit. A one-stepper would say that girl was in Heaven rejoicing with the angels. It isn't that they don't believe the message, they just emphasize grace more.

I wouldn't have known that after all these years unless I had just been told.
That's what really has me puzzled. When I first started attending the church in Boise under Bud Yadon we were UPC and all the standards were adhered to...I would have never guessed there was a distinction in any of the beliefs that I had just left in the UPC church I attended in a nearby state.
It doesn't make much sense to me in how they believe....grace more yet ACTS 2:38...I'll have to ponder this.
Thanks for your input.

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by onefaith2

Saved folk asked what they needed to do? If that was the case, repentance wouldn't be required to be saved. Do you really believe what you just said, that they were already saved?

Honestly think about what you just said.

Honestly I have thought about it and I do believe it. Here is why because when Peter pointed back to Joel in verse 21 in Acts 2 he said that you "call on the name of the Lord and you will be saved." And as the chapter goes on it says they were pierced their hearts, that is where the repentance happened. They asked what to do next IMO, and Pete basically recapped what he just said. Repent/turn from your sins (which they already did), then wash yourself then you will receive the HS. The receipt of the spirit is similtanious to salvation, but when Pete says "then you will receive the HS" is to say that you will receive it when you do this. The key is that Pentecostals see the HS as tongues and it isn't. Tongues is a subsquent thing that comes from receiving the HS.

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

All I got to say is the first time the holyghost fell when they spoke in tongues it was an understood language it happened before Acts 2:38...lol

They were in the spirit for sure. But the tongues was something that happend but when someone is in the spirit they aren't always in tongues. But you are right this is was before Acts 2:38.