Tax Cut for the Wealthiest Will Cost America $700B - Page 7

Jermyn Davidson · #61 09-13-2010, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BeenThinkin

JD I think this is where you're looking at it wrong. It's not the wealthy that's getting help from the government, but the government that's getting help from the wealthy.

Could it be possible that the wealthy simply say, "I'm tired of having to help the government so much more than the rest of society, so I'll just stop making more, so I won't have to give so much to my favorite uncle, "Uncle Sam!"

Or, let's look at it this way. JD, I'm your employer, and I suddenly inform you that I need you to help me! And the way you're going to help me is instead of $10.00 an hour I'm only going to pay you $8.00 an hour! You see, I'm helping you because you won't have to pay as much in taxes and and you're helping me, as I will have more of my money to keep and maybe hire someone else!

If we keep this up we'll solve all of America's problems!

Those tax cuts were only approved on a temporary basis anyway.

I think the wealthy who are able to pay taxes should pay said taxes-- without "assistance" from the government.

Giving the wealthy a tax break is yet another government program. The beneficiaries of this program are well off before the government helps them and are well off after the government helps them.

Jermyn Davidson · #62 09-13-2010, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BeenThinkin

Okay, differently! I appreciate your attitude and I hope mine is comparable to yours!

Have a good day now! And GET RICH!

Do you see this...

"That's probably why I think like I do! Just an old grandpa!

BT

It's been great discussing this with you.

coadie · #63 09-13-2010, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Those tax cuts were only approved on a temporary basis anyway.

I think the wealthy who are able to pay taxes should pay said taxes-- without "assistance" from the government.

Giving the wealthy a tax break is yet another government program. The beneficiaries of this program are well off before the government helps them and are well off after the government helps them.

Stealing from the wealthy???????

It is not the governments money.

It is the poor that create jail, criminal and fire expenses in much greater omounts than they cover with taxes.

Socialism is very selfish..

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A quote attributed to Margaret Thatcher goes along the lines of

"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money [to spend]."
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Socialists won't back off going after the money of the wealthy.

Truthseeker · #64 09-13-2010, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

easier said than done....

You and I both know that this scenario is impossible to come about.

If some welfare mother is injured while picking up trash or mowing the lawn, her employer should have to shoulder that responsibility.

Maybe it would be better to not force work, but force education or training of some sort on the welfare receipients so that after a predetermined time, they become employable and self-sustaining.

Might be a motivation to get off welfare. I know it's easier to throw ideals out, but something needs to be done. Just money on cutting back on food stamps could be huge. I know of a lady with three kids that gets over 600 gollars, that is insane. I say do away with stamps and have food centers that only staples are given out such as rice, flour, generic bread, generic everything etc...

I saw a lady shopping recently that I could tell she was on stamps by how she shopped, didn't seem to look at prices.

Jermyn Davidson · #65 09-13-2010, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by coadie

Stealing from the wealthy???????

It is not the governments money.

It is the poor that create jail, criminal and fire expenses in much greater omounts than they cover with taxes.

Socialism is very selfish..

Socialists won't back off going after the money of the wealthy.

Who prints the currency?

Whose repsonsibility is it to back up the currency with "goods" of value?

Even still, my argument is not that the money of the rich belongs to the government!

My argument is simply that the wealthy do not need help from the government financially. Therefore, the wealthy do not need a tax cut and the tax cuts should not be extended to the wealthy.

Truthseeker · #66 09-13-2010, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Who prints the currency?

Whose repsonsibility is it to back up the currency with "goods" of value?

Even still, my argument is not that the money of the rich belongs to the government!

My argument is simply that the wealthy do not need help from the government financially. Therefore, the waelthy do not need a tax cut and the tax cuts should not be extended to the wealthy.

Have a point, but most of them on gov assistance don't need it either. Many of their issues are lifestyles issues.

Jermyn Davidson · #67 09-13-2010, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Have a point, but most of them on gov assistance don't need it either. Many of their issues are lifestyles issues.

Many of them just simply need jobs and for a variety of reasons are unemployable.

Something has to be done for them-- I am all for public assistance coupled with mandatory education and/or trade training to the point of self- sufficiency.

To the point of self-sufficiency is important. It would be useless to help people to the point to where if they miss one paycheck their life falls apart all over again.

coadie · #68 09-13-2010, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Might be a motivation to get off welfare. I know it's easier to throw ideals out, but something needs to be done. Just money on cutting back on food stamps could be huge. I know of a lady with three kids that gets over 600 gollars, that is insane. I say do away with stamps and have food centers that only staples are given out such as rice, flour, generic bread, generic everything etc...

I saw a lady shopping recently that I could tell she was on stamps by how she shopped, didn't seem to look at prices.

Plus getting free lunches at school and breakfast.

Truthseeker · #69 09-13-2010, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Many of them just simply need jobs and for a variety of reasons are unemployable.

Something has to be done for them-- I am all for public assistance coupled with mandatory education and/or trade training to the point of self- sufficiency.

To the point of self-sufficiency is important. It would be useless to help people to the point to where if they miss one paycheck their life falls apart all over again.

Alot of them need training because of their own decisions such as drop outs, not going to further education or just lazy. I'm not talking about them that are unemployed but doing everything to get a job, but most of the times the ones that want to eventually get employed, IMO.

I'm refering more to the ones that have character issues such as lazy, drugs, immorality(we have to pay for) etc...

Many have opportunities, but just don't take because of there personal issues.

ILG · #70 09-13-2010, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Who prints the currency?

Whose repsonsibility is it to back up the currency with "goods" of value?

Even still, my argument is not that the money of the rich belongs to the government!

My argument is simply that the wealthy do not need help from the government financially. Therefore, the wealthy do not need a tax cut and the tax cuts should not be extended to the wealthy.

The government doesn't print the money, the federal reserve does. Just a point.