Gay Marriage: For or Against?

[Liberal]

Originally Posted by coadie

(Bell AP, Weinberg MS. Homosexualities. New York
1978).

You are not educated in research. Not all abstracts and documents are on links.

Your gay agenda is about denying facts and research. Gays have 7 years shorter life expectancy than do smokers. They need a warning label.

Mr. Coadie, you have zero credibility with these "statistics" you're citing. You quoted a book that was written in 2004 as saying that gay marriages last an average of two years, when gay marriage wasn't legal anywhere in America until 2004. Then you said homosexuality was stopped when Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed when the bible clearly says it was destroyed for other reasons. It's honestly difficult to read your senseless ramblings without getting just a touch upset. Your anti-gay propaganda is ridiculous. Maybe homo-phobia has gotten the better of you.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Liberal

Mr. Coadie, you have zero credibility with these "statistics" you're citing. You quoted a book that was written in 2004 as saying that gay marriages last an average of two years, when gay marriage wasn't legal anywhere in America until 2004. Then you said homosexuality was stopped when Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed when the bible clearly says it was destroyed for other reasons. It's honestly difficult to read your senseless ramblings without getting just a touch upset. Your anti-gay propaganda is ridiculous. Maybe homo-phobia has gotten the better of you.

He doesn't want to get into the biblical reasons for Sodom and Gomorrah's destruction because he'd have to acquiesce to a "social gospel" and would have to shell out to widows and orphans or experience God's wrath.... perhaps a campaign against self-absorption, materialism and consumerism guised as self-determination would have to become his life's calling...

This is way more convenient, the color coding of sin ... he can lambaste one pet sin and ignore all of the works of the flesh that have contributed to man's fall and this view of a theocratic America,which he believes is a re-incarnation of Israel from the OT.

It's always easy to have a scapegoat to deflect from our own heart issues.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Twisp

i know what research you are referring to. I just wanted you to post it so we could show its context.

The study you are referring to also says that homosexuality is not a choice, but has a biological basis. Do you believe that also?

As far as the number of sexual partners, I am sure if you took a poll of both heterosexuals and homosexuals in 1968, the number of partners would be high on both sides.

This is buffet research .... engorge oneself by picking and choosing whatever I fancy.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Liberal

Mr. Coadie, you have zero credibility with these "statistics" you're citing. You quoted a book that was written in 2004 as saying that gay marriages last an average of two years, when gay marriage wasn't legal anywhere in America until 2004. Then you said homosexuality was stopped when Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed when the bible clearly says it was destroyed for other reasons. It's honestly difficult to read your senseless ramblings without getting just a touch upset. Your anti-gay propaganda is ridiculous. Maybe homo-phobia has gotten the better of you.

Good point. You didn't read the study. The data came from the Netherlands which had 13 years of gay marriage. Pro Gay libs don't do well with studies that don't support the deeds.

Genesis 13:13
But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the LORD exceedingly.


unleavened bread, and they did eat.

4But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:

5And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

6And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,

7And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.

Looks like Lot knows that knowing them was doing wickedly. sex with males.


Always toss out the Homophobia accusation.
People seem to make stuff up and accuse of phobias.

[corvet786c]

Its Disgusting and from the Pits of Hell Period.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by DAII

He doesn't want to get into the biblical reasons for Sodom and Gomorrah's destruction because he'd have to acquiesce to a "social gospel" and would have to shell out to widows and orphans or experience God's wrath.... perhaps a campaign against self-absorption, materialism and consumerism guised as self-determination would have to become his life's calling...

This is way more convenient, the color coding of sin ... he can lambaste one pet sin and ignore all of the works of the flesh that have contributed to man's fall and this view of a theocratic America,which he believes is a re-incarnation of Israel from the OT.

It's always easy to have a scapegoat to deflect from our own heart issues.

Where do you come up with your claims?

[Aquila]

Let's say this first... ABOMINATION.

One issue I see is that the more we try to codify our religious morality into our civil law the more likely in two or three generations we're going to see Islam trying to codify Shariah into our civil laws (we are already seeing the beginnings of this). I say we go for a perfectly Constitutional and Libertarian approach that protects individual freedoms and liberties. Perhaps we shouldn't make an issue of gay marriage on the civil side. However, conservative churches can refuse to recognize such marriages.

This allows EVERYONE to have their rights, both private individuals and churches.

Those are my initial thoughts. Since I'm not a fan of gay marriage... my opinion is open to be changed if someone can present to me why we should codify our religious position on this matter into civil law.

P.S.
I think the luster around "gay marriage" will wear off once we see a spike in "gay divorce". Given their lifestyle, many, if not most, will choose not to marry. Just my opinion, I could be wrong.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Twisp

No, legally, your children cannot consent to sexual relations or to marriage with an adult. An animal cannot consent to sexual relations or to marriage with a human, since they have no way of expressing their consent.

That is why we eat fried chicken. Your animal consent doctrine is a worthless change of subject.


Exhibitionism: the recurrent urge or behavior to expose one's genitals to an unsuspecting person.
Fetishism: the use of non-sexual or nonliving objects or part of a person's body to gain sexual excitement. Partialism refers to fetishes specifically involving nonsexual parts of the body.
Frotteurism: the recurrent urges or behavior of touching or rubbing against a nonconsenting person.
Masochism: the recurrent urge or behavior of wanting to be humiliated, beaten, bound, or otherwise made to suffer.
Pedophilia: the sexual attraction to prepubescent children.
Sadism: the recurrent urge or behavior involving acts in which the pain or humiliation of the victim is sexually exciting.
Transvestic fetishism: a sexual attraction towards the clothing of the opposite gender.
Voyeurism: the recurrent urge or behavior to observe an unsuspecting person who is naked, disrobing or engaging in sexual activities.
Other paraphilias are grouped together under "Other paraphilias not otherwise specified."

Homosexuality was previously listed as a paraphilia in the DSM-I and DSM-II, but this was declassified from both DSM-III and DSM-IV, consistent with the change of attitude among and lobbying by gay Psychiatrists. Gay psychologists have no cure for homosexual behavior.

The DSM IV TR will become even more liberal.

. Paraphilias without DSM codes listed come under DSM 302.9, "Paraphilia NOS (Not Otherwise Specified)".

A 2009 list contains a total of 547 paraphilias, but leads with the statement that "Not all these paraphilias have necessarily been seen in clinical setups.

A good reason to take homosexuality off the mental illness list means a gay can't get counseling for gay issues and have it covered by insurance.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Let's say this first... ABOMINATION.

One issue I see is that the more we try to codify our religious morality into our civil law the more likely in two or three generations we're going to see Islam trying to codify Shariah into our civil laws (we are already seeing the beginnings of this). I say we go for a perfectly Constitutional and Libertarian approach that protects individual freedoms and liberties. Perhaps we shouldn't make an issue of gay marriage on the civil side. However, conservative churches can refuse to recognize such marriages.

This allows EVERYONE to have their rights, both private individuals and churches.

Those are my initial thoughts. Since I'm not a fan of gay marriage... my opinion is open to be changed if someone can present to me why we should codify our religious position on this matter into civil law.

P.S.
I think the luster around "gay marriage" will wear off once we see a spike in "gay divorce". Given their lifestyle, many, if not most, will choose not to marry. Just my opinion, I could be wrong.

It is an abomination
It is sin.
The Judeo Christian legal system goes back to a transcendent moral code for a foundation.

2 parts that intrude on free religion is the endeaver by gays to force pastors to marry them in churches that oppose it and also punish preechers that preach the bible on sodomy.

[DAII]

Other sins the Word expresses disgust with:

What other abominations does the Bible specify? Of course, adultery (Lev 18:20), sex with animals (Lev 18:23), remarrying one's wife after she's had another husband in between (Deut 24:4), or approaching any woman and humming "Strangers in the Night" during the time of her "uncleanness" (Lev 18:19). Cross-dressing is out (Deut 22:5), and that includes Halloween costumes, slacks on women, bib overalls on little girls, or a wife wearing her husband's favorite Oxford buttondown. And more on buttondowns in a moment.

Other abominations include tarot readings, glancing at your horoscope, trimming one's beard, and getting a tattoo, even if it says, "Mom" (Lev 19:26-28). Haughty eyes (Prov 6:17) and telling lies (Prov 6:17, 12:22) are big abominations. Being untruthful also includes false weights and measures (Prov 11:1), or any other dishonesty in business. "Everyone who acts unjustly is an abomination to the LORD your God" (Prov 11:16).

What do abominators have for dinner? Rare steaks off the grill (Lev 17:10), Lobster Newburg at the Krebs and crab cakes in Baltimore (Lev 11:10), a rack of ribs at the Dinosaur Bar-B-Que (Lev 11:7).

But abominations are not just about bodily functions. Charging or paying interest are abominations. Bankers and anyone with a mortgage, car loan or credit card debt will be unavailable to throw the first stone, regardless of the interest rate (Psalm 15:1-5, Jeremiah 15:10).

Graven images of other gods are an abomination (Deut 7:25). Thus the Happy Buddha on my dresser and my postcards of the Great Buddha at Kamakura would excuse me from taking the lead in rock throwing, if I hadn't already fallen by the wayside.

My personal favorite abomination is wearing blended fabrics. Deuteronomy 22:11 forbids wearing a material made of wool and linen, but Leviticus 19:19 says it's an abomination to wear any blended material, period. Hence a woman in a man's buttondown can be doubly abominable if it's a no-iron, easy care blend of cotton and polyester.

"Since all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." (Romans 3:23)