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View Poll Results: Is Jesus sitting on the throne in flesh?
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Yes he's still in flesh.
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No, The Word is Spirit.
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07-21-2010, 12:04 AM
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Re: Is Jesus Sitting on a Throne in His Flesh?
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Originally Posted by Hoovie
Stepper, please don't feel that way... if something is written as warning or intent of the Admin Team it will clearly be identified as such.
I was just thinking, out loud, what was apparent to me personally.
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Well that's good to know. Perhaps you can finish your thought so that others can stop acting like I have some kind of secret agenda around here, or not..
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07-21-2010, 06:45 AM
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Re: Is Jesus Sitting on a Throne in His Flesh?
Jesus was raised having an immortal body that was called a "spiritual body". That body was able to appear out of nowhere, He encouraged Thomas to touch His body and likened as having flesh and bones, then He ate fish with his disciples, and then He dissappeared again. So what happened to the fish he ate?
I dont figured he's just sitting on a physical carpentered out throne, just made to fit an average size jewish man. But rather Him seated on the "throne" could be considered describing that "He is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords".
However, just like not really knowing/understanding where those fish went when eaten by an immortal physical spiritual body, I am not quick to rule out the possibility of an existing throne in the heavenly/spirtual realm. Probably not the kind Pel brought up tho. 
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07-21-2010, 10:50 AM
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Re: Is Jesus Sitting on a Throne in His Flesh?
I believe He is still with flesh, but flesh made immortal as it was when it left the tomb.
Adam would have remained immortal had he not fallen, and been in the place Christ now is. But the Last man Adam was God incarnate, and that immortal flesh with which He resurrected is still somewhere!
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07-21-2010, 10:57 AM
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Re: Is Jesus Sitting on a Throne in His Flesh?
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Is Jesus Sitting on a Throne in His Flesh?
Do people pray to a flesh entity?
John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Words in this passage comes from "Rhema" not "Logos."
Rhema means speech, utterance, you hear a sound.
All power and authority transferred from one promise to another, it transferred from one set of words that were spoken to another set of words that were spoken. These spoken Words are Spirit & Life, not flesh...
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I have no idea what you are talking about but to answer the thread title, yes, of course, Jesus is sitting on the throne of God in his physical immortal body. It will be the same exact immortal body that He returns to earth in when He comes back in the clouds.
Acts 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
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07-21-2010, 11:05 AM
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Re: Is Jesus Sitting on a Throne in His Flesh?
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Is Jesus Sitting on a Throne in His Flesh?
Do people pray to a flesh entity?
John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Words in this passage comes from "Rhema" not "Logos."
Rhema means speech, utterance, you hear a sound.
All power and authority transferred from one promise to another, it transferred from one set of words that were spoken to another set of words that were spoken. These spoken Words are Spirit & Life, not flesh...
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The flesh on the throne is not what nor Who we pray to. The flesh on the throne is the Sonship which still possesses immortal flesh.
John 6 has nothing to do with the issue, in my opinion. John 6 is saying that the literal eating and drinking of Christ's flesh and blood was not the point Jesus was making, when the listeners thought it was. Jesus was actually using those thoughts as pictures of believing HIS WORDS ABOUT THE WORK OF THE CROSS.
The communion supper was eating his flesh and drinking his blood, but not literally as the Catholics think. It represented TAKING THE BROKENNESS of His flesh from the death of the cross, and the shedding of his blood from the cross, and applying it to ourselves in indication that WE DIED WITH HIM. What happened to Him on the cross must be understand as what happened to US spiritually.
So Jesus meant that the TEACHINGS He gave, and what the apostles would give, about the CROSS were represented by the eating of his flesh and drinking his blood. And THOSE TEACHINGS were what give life. Jesus formerly said eating and drinking his flesh and blood gave eternal life. He clarified that when they took Him literally, and He said HIS WORDS are what give LIFE.
When He asked if the disciples would leave as so many others did at that point, Peter showed that he caught what Jesus meant. WHERE ELSE CAN WE GO TO FIND WORDS OF ETERNAL LIFE?
So these words have nothing to do with saying Jesus has no flesh any more. Apples and oranges.
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Re: Is Jesus Sitting on a Throne in His Flesh?
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I have no idea what you are talking about
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I'm simply saying that the spoken Word (Rhema,) is Spirit and Life.
God is a Spirit.
Spirit is on the Throne.
Words are Spirit.
Words are Life.
God/Spirit/Word/Life All One in the same.
Jesus is called The Word of God..
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07-21-2010, 12:07 PM
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Re: Is Jesus Sitting on a Throne in His Flesh?
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Originally Posted by SteppingStone
I'm simply saying that the spoken Word (Rhema,) is Spirit and Life.
God is a Spirit.
Spirit is on the Throne.
Words are Spirit.
Words are Life.
God/Spirit/Word/Life All One in the same.
Jesus is called The Word of God..
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And He is the WORD MADE FLESH.  It is now immortal flesh, as we would have been, had Adam not sinned, and as we will be. Praise God!.
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07-21-2010, 12:54 PM
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Re: Is Jesus Sitting on a Throne in His Flesh?
God is Spirit. Angels are spirits. God says "All heaven is my throne"..so it seems heaven is not a physical world. His throne is his dwelling place. Throne does not have to mean a literal chair but is symbolic of a kings rule
God, an omnipresent Spirit, is not literally taking weight off his tired feet by sitting on a literal throne.
Is Jesus "in his humanity" sitting on His throne? Yes! In other words Jesus has power NOW. Jesus is King. He rules. That does not mean there has to be a literal chair in heaven and Jesus is resting his tired feet sitting on it. It means that Jesus is reigning right now.
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Re: Is Jesus Sitting on a Throne in His Flesh?
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Well that's good to know. Perhaps you can finish your thought so that others can stop acting like I have some kind of secret agenda around here, or not..
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My thoughts are open here.
Perhaps you can share more. Is Christ's existence as a Spirit (versus the belief in a bodily resurrection), telltale of other divergent Christological views you might have?
Personally, I fully expect to see those nail scarred hands when I get to Gloryland.
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Re: Is Jesus Sitting on a Throne in His Flesh?
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God is Spirit. Angels are spirits. God says "All heaven is my throne"..so it seems heaven is not a physical world. His throne is his dwelling place. Throne does not have to mean a literal chair but is symbolic of a kings rule
God, an omnipresent Spirit, is not literally taking weight off his tired feet by sitting on a literal throne.
Is Jesus "in his humanity" sitting on His throne? Yes! In other words Jesus has power NOW. Jesus is King. He rules. That does not mean there has to be a literal chair in heaven and Jesus is resting his tired feet sitting on it. It means that Jesus is reigning right now.
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Amen. 
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