Worship Casualties: Who speaks for the injured?

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Esther

Exactly where does it contradict scripture?

I've given you two major scriptural principles already. Surely you read them.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Matthew 28:4 is quite a bit more than a stretch to prove your position. This was when Jesus rose from the grave. When Jesus rises from the grave and appears in front of you, I'll understand if you pass out.

I was thinking more on this comment. Jesus has risen from the grave and His presence is just as strong when He is in the house, therefore, it should not be a surprise when folks fall to the ground at His presence.

And by the way, there is quite a few scriptures to back that up.

If you feel as though I'm trying to appear to be an expert, you're welcome to your two cents. But your experience doesn't change the bible, and if it's the bible you desire to follow, you're going to be unable to validate, affirm, or confirm your position concerning being "slain."

Yes, of course, many will disagree with me. Do you really think I would go on a pentecostal/apostolic/charismatic forum, state that "Being slain in the Spirit" isn't real, and think that no one will disagree with me?

To the disagreement, I say, "Bring it on." I welcome it. You're still unable to connect your position with the bible, and in fact, should be able (although I'm sure you won't) to admit that it contradicts scripture.

I believe I have and can connect my position with the bible.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by notofworks

But how can I experience something that doesn't exist? My point is, anyone who has done this fell over because they psychologically wanted to, not because they had no choice in the matter. With that in mind, there's no way I could have experienced it.

Hmmm... perhaps we differ here then. I believe it does exist, I am not at all ready to say everyone is fabricating their experiences.

I don't believe it's necessarily attributable to the Holy Spirit. (I do believe some Holy Spirit filled Christians experience it)

[easter]

2 Samuel 6:1 David again brought together out of Israel chosen men, thirty thousand in all. 2 He and all his men set out from Baalah of Judah [a] to bring up from there the ark of God, which is called by the Name, [b] the name of the LORD Almighty, who is enthroned between the cherubim that are on the ark. 3 They set the ark of God on a new cart and brought it from the house of Abinadab, which was on the hill. Uzzah and Ahio, sons of Abinadab, were guiding the new cart 4 with the ark of God on it, [c] and Ahio was walking in front of it. 5 David and the whole house of Israel were celebrating with all their might before the LORD, with songs [d] and with harps, lyres, tambourines, sistrums and cymbals.
6 When they came to the threshing floor of Nacon, Uzzah reached out and took hold of the ark of God, because the oxen stumbled. 7 The LORD's anger burned against Uzzah because of his irreverent act; therefore God struck him down and he died there beside the ark of God.

8 Then David was angry because the LORD's wrath had broken out against Uzzah, and to this day that place is called Perez Uzzah. [e]

9 David was afraid of the LORD that day and said, "How can the ark of the LORD ever come to me?" 10 He was not willing to take the ark of the LORD to be with him in the City of David. Instead, he took it aside to the house of Obed-Edom the Gittite. 11 The ark of the LORD remained in the house of Obed-Edom the Gittite for three months, and the LORD blessed him and his entire household.

12 Now King David was told, "The LORD has blessed the household of Obed-Edom and everything he has, because of the ark of God." So David went down and brought up the ark of God from the house of Obed-Edom to the City of David with rejoicing. 13 When those who were carrying the ark of the LORD had taken six steps, he sacrificed a bull and a fattened calf. 14 David, wearing a linen ephod, danced before the LORD with all his might, 15 while he and the entire house of Israel brought up the ark of the LORD with shouts and the sound of trumpets.

16 As the ark of the LORD was entering the City of David, Michal daughter of Saul watched from a window. And when she saw King David leaping and dancing before the LORD, she despised him in her heart.

Now in those days before the Temple God's Spirit rested on the Ark.So was King David happy in the Lord? Perhaps he was surrounded by God's Spirit and Saul's daughter didn't understand and she thought King David was acting a fool!

[Esther]

Originally Posted by notofworks

I've given you two major scriptural principles already. Surely you read them.

No I guess I missed them. I saw where you talked about things being done decently and in order as being your concept to say folks are out of order to worship God with all their soul, mind, and spirit. Just as David worship so that his wife was embarrased by his worship, perhaps you agree with her???

[Esther]

Originally Posted by easter

2 Samuel 6:1 David again brought together out of Israel chosen men, thirty thousand in all. 2 He and all his men set out from Baalah of Judah [a] to bring up from there the ark of God, which is called by the Name, [b] the name of the LORD Almighty, who is enthroned between the cherubim that are on the ark. 3 They set the ark of God on a new cart and brought it from the house of Abinadab, which was on the hill. Uzzah and Ahio, sons of Abinadab, were guiding the new cart 4 with the ark of God on it, [c] and Ahio was walking in front of it. 5 David and the whole house of Israel were celebrating with all their might before the LORD, with songs [d] and with harps, lyres, tambourines, sistrums and cymbals.
6 When they came to the threshing floor of Nacon, Uzzah reached out and took hold of the ark of God, because the oxen stumbled. 7 The LORD's anger burned against Uzzah because of his irreverent act; therefore God struck him down and he died there beside the ark of God.

8 Then David was angry because the LORD's wrath had broken out against Uzzah, and to this day that place is called Perez Uzzah. [e]

9 David was afraid of the LORD that day and said, "How can the ark of the LORD ever come to me?" 10 He was not willing to take the ark of the LORD to be with him in the City of David. Instead, he took it aside to the house of Obed-Edom the Gittite. 11 The ark of the LORD remained in the house of Obed-Edom the Gittite for three months, and the LORD blessed him and his entire household.

12 Now King David was told, "The LORD has blessed the household of Obed-Edom and everything he has, because of the ark of God." So David went down and brought up the ark of God from the house of Obed-Edom to the City of David with rejoicing. 13 When those who were carrying the ark of the LORD had taken six steps, he sacrificed a bull and a fattened calf. 14 David, wearing a linen ephod, danced before the LORD with all his might, 15 while he and the entire house of Israel brought up the ark of the LORD with shouts and the sound of trumpets.

16 As the ark of the LORD was entering the City of David, Michal daughter of Saul watched from a window. And when she saw King David leaping and dancing before the LORD, she despised him in her heart.

Now in those days before the Temple God's Spirit rested on the Ark.So was King David happy in the Lord? Perhaps he was surrounded by God's Spirit and Saul's daughter didn't understand and she thought King David was acting a fool!

I just posted the same thing without seeing your post.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by notofworks

But how can I experience something that doesn't exist? My point is, anyone who has done this fell over because they psychologically wanted to, not because they had no choice in the matter. With that in mind, there's no way I could have experienced it.

Again you say this as though YOU know and are right and anyone else is wrong.

But I hate to disappoint you, but I believe you are very much wrong.

Just because you have not experience it nor have a desire to experience it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

It has happened too many times to say it is psychologically induced.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by notofworks

I've given you two major scriptural principles already. Surely you read them.

I did not see two major scriptures you quoted that says God doesn't slay people with His Spirit.

What were they?

[easter]

Originally Posted by Esther

I just posted the same thing without seeing your post.

This story came to me so I posted it.That is how the Holy Spirit works through those who are willing

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I once picked up one woman's baby and car seat to rescue the infant from the crushing advance of of a dancing fat lady. .