How many times did you ask God for the Holy Ghost? - Page 7

jfrog · #61 05-31-2010, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by notofworks

Oh my goodness!!! I just read the poll results. Unreal. What an indictment of the process. If 70% of respondents had to "Try" more than 20 times, what does this say about the "tongues" concept as a whole?

Wow.

I suppose if you believed that tongues were required, then you would view that as affirmation that salvation was not easy to obtain. "Narrow is the way..."

mfblume · #62 05-31-2010, 12:55 PM

The truth is we have to rest assured in the persuasion we sincerely believe in. If someone feels tongues is always initial evidence for Spirit Baptism, and believes Spirit baptism is required for salvation, then they have to stand before God with that persuasion. If someone disagrees, they have to stand before God with their persuasion. Arguing over who is right will not change the reality of who is right.

There are times we have to simply state our opinions to those who sincerely want to know, and realize that those who disagree are not stupid, just of a different, sincere opinion. And when we get UPSET at another opinion, we have veered off into carnality. It's like we demand people see our identity in doctrine, and feel personally attacked when our doctrine is attacked, showing we are not looking for identity in Christ but in impressing people with how CORRECT we are.

Rom 14:5 ...Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Do not think you can take away my privilege of being fully persuaded in my own mind. We each must LET the other be persuaded in their own minds.

Disagree gracefully.

jfrog · #63 05-31-2010, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

The truth is we have to rest assured in the persuasion we sincerely believe in. If someone feels tongues is always initial evidence for Spirit Baptism, and believes Spirit baptism is required for salvation, then they have to stand before God with that persuasion. If someone disagrees, they have to stand before God with their persuasion. Arguing over who is right will not change the reality of who is right.

There are times we have to simply state our opinions to those who sincerely want to know, and realize that those who disagree are not stupid, just of a different, sincere opinion. And when we get UPSET at another opinion, we have veered off into carnality. It's like we demand people see our identity in doctrine, and feel personally attacked when our doctrine is attacked, showing we are not looking for identity in Christ but in impressing people with how CORRECT we are.

Rom 14:5 ...Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Do not think you can take away my privilege of being fully persuaded in my own mind. We each must LET the other be persuaded in their own minds.

Disagree gracefully.

Okay Mr. Relative :P jkjk

I do like that philosophy. Good post Blume!

mizpeh · #64 05-31-2010, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

The truth is we have to rest assured in the persuasion we sincerely believe in. If someone feels tongues is always initial evidence for Spirit Baptism, and believes Spirit baptism is required for salvation, then they have to stand before God with that persuasion. If someone disagrees, they have to stand before God with their persuasion. Arguing over who is right will not change the reality of who is right.

There are times we have to simply state our opinions to those who sincerely want to know, and realize that those who disagree are not stupid, just of a different, sincere opinion. And when we get UPSET at another opinion, we have veered off into carnality. It's like we demand people see our identity in doctrine, and feel personally attacked when our doctrine is attacked, showing we are not looking for identity in Christ but in impressing people with how CORRECT we are.

Rom 14:5 ...Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Do not think you can take away my privilege of being fully persuaded in my own mind. We each must LET the other be persuaded in their own minds.

Disagree gracefully.

The judgement seat of Christ puts everything into perspective.

ILG · #65 05-31-2010, 02:20 PM

I voted once. I am assuming you mean the baptism of the HG. I only asked once. For refillings now, that is a whole different story.

jfrog · #66 05-31-2010, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ILG

I voted once. I am assuming you mean the baptism of the HG. I only asked once. For refillings now, that is a whole different story.

You would be correct! I just realized my question could be interpreted that other way. I hope no one thought that is what I meant.

notofworks · #67 05-31-2010, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jfrog

2 people got it without ever asking (I gave no poll option for this). So its actually more like 11/18, which is only only about 61.1%

Oh, only 61% had to beg relentlessly to be saved. That changes everything!

notofworks · #68 05-31-2010, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jfrog

I suppose if you believed that tongues were required, then you would view that as affirmation that salvation was not easy to obtain. "Narrow is the way..."

Narrow? Privileged few? Those that know how to repeat what they've heard? Those that say, "Hallelujah" so quickly that everyone starts yelling and says it's the Holy Ghost?

This whole subject lights my fire. It's an insult the the Holy Spirit that indwells EVERY believer, not just the special few that manage to regurgitate unintelligible "words" that no one understands.