If Christ is God, then Christ has taken peoples lives. In fact, if Christ is God, then it seems everything that God has done can be attributed to Christ. There is no way to separate the actions and say: Jesus didn't do this but God did. If Jesus is God then Jesus did it by virtue of being God.
I respectfully disagree.
Jesus is God by virtue of "Oneness". The man, Jesus Christ the Son of God, was born a baby. He had a human body, a human soul, and a human spirit. He had to learn his A-B-Cs and 1-2-3s. He studied Torah and was subject to his parents like all kids are. However, from conception this human being (the Son of God) was inseparably "one" with the indwelling Father who is omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent. The human spirit of Jesus and the Spirit of God being enmeshed or interwoven together inseparably...in man Christ Jesus. By virtue of this Oneness the man Jesus Christ shared in the very nature and person of the indwelling Father. In addition, the indwelling Father shared in the very nature and person of His human tabernacle, the Son of God. The Father and the Son have two complete and distinct natures, however, they are inseparably one in Jesus.
It's not God and Christ Jesus as Trinitarians assume. It's not that God is Christ Jesus as many Oneness proponents assume. It's God IN Christ Jesus...
I Corinthians 5:19
19To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
God didn't morph or trans mutate himself into being Jesus. From Christ's conception, God chose to combine His divinity and person with the humanity and person of the Son of God, the man Christ Jesus. Jesus was an authentic man who was (and is) inseparably one with God. Oneness.
By virtue of his Oneness with the Father (who is Spirit), Jesus shared in the very nature and person of God Almighty...so in a sense it can be said that Jesus is the Holy Ghost... but by virtue of his human person and nature, no... the man Jesus Christ isn't the Holy Ghost.
Jesus is God by virtue of "Oneness". The man, Jesus Christ the Son of God, was born a baby. He had a human body, a human soul, and a human spirit. He had to learn his A-B-Cs and 1-2-3s. He studied Torah and was subject to his parents like all kids are. However, from conception this human being (the Son of God) was inseparably "one" with the indwelling Father who is omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent. The human spirit of Jesus and the Spirit of God being enmeshed or interwoven together inseparably...in man Christ Jesus. By virtue of this Oneness the man Jesus Christ shared in the very nature and person of the indwelling Father. In addition, the indwelling Father shared in the very nature and person of His human tabernacle, the Son of God. The Father and the Son have two complete and distinct natures, however, they are inseparably one in Jesus.
It's not God and Christ Jesus as Trinitarians assume. It's not that God is Christ Jesus as many Oneness proponents assume. It's God IN Christ Jesus...
I Corinthians 5:19
19To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
God didn't morph or trans mutate himself into being Jesus. From Christ's conception, God chose to combine His divinity and person with the humanity and person of the Son of God, the man Christ Jesus. Jesus was an authentic man who was (and is) inseparably one with God. Oneness.
Alright Aquila, we don't agree on everything, but your Christology is impeccable. This post knocks it outta the park!
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Jesus is God by virtue of "Oneness". The man, Jesus Christ the Son of God, was born a baby. He had a human body, a human soul, and a human spirit. He had to learn his A-B-Cs and 1-2-3s. He studied Torah and was subject to his parents like all kids are. However, from conception this human being (the Son of God) was inseparably "one" with the indwelling Father who is omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent. The human spirit of Jesus and the Spirit of God being enmeshed or interwoven together inseparably...in man Christ Jesus. By virtue of this Oneness the man Jesus Christ shared in the very nature and person of the indwelling Father. In addition, the indwelling Father shared in the very nature and person of His human tabernacle, the Son of God. The Father and the Son have two complete and distinct natures, however, they are inseparably one in Jesus.
It's not God and Christ Jesus as Trinitarians assume. It's not that God is Christ Jesus as many Oneness proponents assume. It's God IN Christ Jesus...
I Corinthians 5:19
19To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
God didn't morph or trans mutate himself into being Jesus. From Christ's conception, God chose to combine His divinity and person with the humanity and person of the Son of God, the man Christ Jesus. Jesus was an authentic man who was (and is) inseparably one with God. Oneness.
The first thing I bolded, I think that is the hardest of your sayings, in fact I don't think I agree and I don't think anyone else will agree it. The human and the divine were inseparable but were still distinct, I don't think the divine partook in the humanity or the humanity in the divinity.
The other thing I bolded, the bible makes it very clear that it is God and Jesus Christ. I can quote in almost every epistle a greeting that reads to that effect. I don't think oneness people claim to beleive that God is Jesus Christ, they claim that Jesus Christ is God (there is a difference). And I don't think oneness or trinitarians deny that God was in Christ. Though I'm sure they both understand it differently than you are advocating.
The first thing I bolded, I think that is the hardest of your sayings, in fact I don't think I agree and I don't think anyone else will agree it. The human and the divine were inseparable but were still distinct, I don't think the divine partook in the humanity or the humanity in the divinity.
I believe the man Jesus Christ partook in the divine nature and that God partook in the human nature. The Word was made flesh. God was manifest, in the flesh. I believe it goes deeper than just an indwelling... I believe it's a co-mingling (if you will) of two distinct and inseparable natures. In Acts we read...
Acts 20:28
28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. (KJV)
This insinuates that Christ's blood was indeed the "blood of God". This means, in my opinion, that God dawned the entire human nature of Jesus Christ... Just as Christ shared and partook in the divine nature.
But that's just my opinion, you're still my bro and I luv ya.
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The other thing I bolded, the bible makes it very clear that it is God and Jesus Christ. I can quote in almost every epistle a greeting that reads to that effect. I don't think oneness people claim to beleive that God is Jesus Christ, they claim that Jesus Christ is God (there is a difference). And I don't think oneness or trinitarians deny that God was in Christ. Though I'm sure they both understand it differently than you are advocating.
I'm asking about Jesus. Did Jesus ever kill anyone?
No He did not. While Jesus was God, it's improper to refer to Him as the Father in heaven - who was God apart from the incarnation.
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Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
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