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11-04-2009, 07:25 PM
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Re: Evangelist Dobson parts with Focus on the Fami
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I don't think USA today has the story right or complete. we have to hear what he says.
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Nah, we can just ask Paul Harvey.
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11-04-2009, 07:27 PM
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Re: Evangelist Dobson parts with Focus on the Fami
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You know, we aren't your classroom. Do you think we are all idiots?
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Cindy: May I tell ____ he's an idiot.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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11-04-2009, 07:28 PM
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Re: Evangelist Dobson parts with Focus on the Fami
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I have to disagree with you on this one. Dobson did a lot of good for the Christian community bringing psychology to the mainstream. I am not sure the good of that can be overestimated.
I also hate it when people tell me where to shop or not to shop. I can make those decisions myself. You do have to realize that Dobson made it a point to separate the ministry of Focus from Dobson the man. You don't have to agree with him but he shouldn't be told to be silent on politics simply because he works in ministry. The black church was where politics in church came from in America, why do you think the leaders of the civil rights movement were men like MLK jr.? It wasn't until LBJ wanted to get back at some folks in Texas that this whole no politics in church began.
Also when Jesus said Herod was a fox he wasn't saying he looked good in a speedo that was a political comment. You have to realize that the Jews were basically a captive people at that time. Even so you see Paul use his citizenship to gain an advantage more than once in his ministry.
I am not one to think we should have a theocracy, far from it, I am mostly libertarian in my views, but that shouldn't stop me from being salt and light and doing what I believe is right to affect the society I live in.
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What I'm trying to say is that Dobson became a VERY active political activist in recent years and he was coming from the standpoint of righteousness and Christianity. I just don't see any biblical precedent for that. He made some outrageous comments about Barak Obama during the most recent presidential campaign. He has morphed from a practical helper of families into a very loud conservative activist.
He actually printed a list of stores that were "approved" of for Christians to shop at during the holidays. That's absurd.
True, Jesus called Herod a fox. Sly. "Tell that fox I'll keep doing what I'm doing." It was a statement of continuing the gospel and certainly if Barak Obama, or any president, tried to shut us down, we would say, "Tell that fox....". But Jesus made no effort to turn anyone against Herod, to get him to rule a certain way, to pass any bills, or for anyone to vote him out. And there's no recorded effort of any of the early church attempting to mobilize the Christian Culture to be politically active.
And that's what we have now. We have right-wing extremists who attempt to tell us that 9-11 was because of America's abortion and homosexuality.
You should check out this website:
www.jamesdobsondoesntspeakforme.com
It was started by Kirbyjon Caldwell, a GREAT pastor in the poor suburbs of Houston. There are a LOT of Christians who are sick of people like Dobson speaking for them.
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11-04-2009, 07:29 PM
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Re: Evangelist Dobson parts with Focus on the Fami
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11-04-2009, 07:30 PM
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Re: Evangelist Dobson parts with Focus on the Fami
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I haven't been a fan of Dobson for a long time. I liked him when I was younger, his parenting stuff seemed good back then, but he just got progressively more political and that really turned me off.
I just think that a lot of this stuff; who to boycott, where to shop, who to vote for, is overstepping. I don't like people telling me how to feel or react, just give me the information and let me do with it what I think is appropriate. The militant stuff rubs me the wrong way.  |
Let's boycott him!
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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11-04-2009, 07:32 PM
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Re: Evangelist Dobson parts with Focus on the Fami
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11-04-2009, 07:33 PM
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Re: Evangelist Dobson parts with Focus on the Fami
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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11-04-2009, 07:40 PM
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Re: Evangelist Dobson parts with Focus on the Fami
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Originally Posted by notofworks
What I'm trying to say is that Dobson became a VERY active political activist in recent years and he was coming from the standpoint of righteousness and Christianity. I just don't see any biblical precedent for that. He made some outrageous comments about Barak Obama during the most recent presidential campaign. He has morphed from a practical helper of families into a very loud conservative activist.
He actually printed a list of stores that were "approved" of for Christians to shop at during the holidays. That's absurd.
True, Jesus called Herod a fox. Sly. "Tell that fox I'll keep doing what I'm doing." It was a statement of continuing the gospel and certainly if Barak Obama, or any president, tried to shut us down, we would say, "Tell that fox....". But Jesus made no effort to turn anyone against Herod, to get him to rule a certain way, to pass any bills, or for anyone to vote him out. And there's no recorded effort of any of the early church attempting to mobilize the Christian Culture to be politically active.
And that's what we have now. We have right-wing extremists who attempt to tell us that 9-11 was because of America's abortion and homosexuality.
You should check out this website:
www.jamesdobsondoesntspeakforme.com
It was started by Kirbyjon Caldwell, a GREAT pastor in the poor suburbs of Houston. There are a LOT of Christians who are sick of people like Dobson speaking for them. |
Well I disagree, I don't have to like Dobson's views to think he did a great thing for the American church. There is nothing wrong with him being a political activist. If you don't like his list do what I do, ignore it. I am not so sure that he said any outlandish things about BO, but even if he did, so what?
You can't confuse the condition of government during the time of the early church and now. That's like your joke about Coadies response to posts, it really is completely irrelevant.
So one or two crackpots said 9-11 was about judgment...so what? There were some crackpots that claim GWB orchestrated it.
We have Jesse Jackson shaking down business in the name of God and civil rights, we have Al Sharpton making a living off of made up controversies, and BO very own pastor said some wacky and outrageous things. So what?
It is America and we have and freedom of speech even applies to religious people.
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11-04-2009, 08:16 PM
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Re: Evangelist Dobson parts with Focus on the Fami
I like Dobson personally. I have no problem with his "list" as I believe his intent is right. He is not forcing anyone to agree. But I am thinking Christians are becoming to passive about sin.
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11-04-2009, 08:43 PM
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Re: Evangelist Dobson parts with Focus on the Fami
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Well I disagree, I don't have to like Dobson's views to think he did a great thing for the American church. There is nothing wrong with him being a political activist. If you don't like his list do what I do, ignore it. I am not so sure that he said any outlandish things about BO, but even if he did, so what?
You can't confuse the condition of government during the time of the early church and now. That's like your joke about Coadies response to posts, it really is completely irrelevant.
So one or two crackpots said 9-11 was about judgment...so what? There were some crackpots that claim GWB orchestrated it.
We have Jesse Jackson shaking down business in the name of God and civil rights, we have Al Sharpton making a living off of made up controversies, and BO very own pastor said some wacky and outrageous things. So what?
It is America and we have and freedom of speech even applies to religious people.
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And it's "Freedom" that I believe in, particularly the freedom of those we are trying to reach. I believe unchurched people who may be very liberal in their political persuasion should be able to approach the church for spiritual enrichment without the fear of being told who to vote for.
In his book "They Like Jesus But Not The Church", Dan Kimball references the two concerns that unchurched people have about Christianity; 1) What do you think about gays, and 2) Do I have to be a republican?
When the ecumenical church takes such a harsh stand as a whole, falling on one side of the political fence, we eliminate half our audience. My question is, why should we let our political party get in the way of the cross?
And I'm not crazy about Jackson and Sharpton either, although I do understand where they're coming from.
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