The vast majority of immigrants from Mexico vote overwhelmingly Democrat and voted BHO, so it wouldn't enlarge the base.
Again, cause and effect relationship. The Democrats are gaining their votes because the Democrats want to reform immigration. For legals who have illegal family in the United States, or family who wants to come here, the Republican hard line against immigration reform leaves them no choice but to vote Democratic because it's the biggest issue they face. BUT, if conservatives were to take up the cause for REAL reform... you'd see shift in the voting block.
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I don't have a problem with LEGAL immigration. I do have a problem with people jumping the border and coming in illegally.
I think that bothers us all. But it's not going to stop and our immigration process needs reform.
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I worked with ICE for 2 1/2 years (before and after 9/11) ... it is not that difficult to migrate legally to the US. It is a lengthy process, but it's not difficult. The problem is the people are too lazy or impatient to complete the legal process.
One gentleman I was talking about from Mexico illegally immigrated here to be with his girlfriend who at the time was pregnant with his daughter. He didn't want to not be able to be with his daughter when she was born so he sneaked in. Shortly after his daughter was born he was caught and sent back to Mexico. He sneaked in again and was deported a second time. His wife and his daughters then went to Mexico to be with him and they had to go through an extremely difficult process to get him in legally.
There are circumstances in these people's lives that we don't even know or care to know. We'd rather stereo type. I know of an illegal from Ecuador who has a family that is so poor in Ecuador he came here looking for work so he could send money home to help them survive. He says he's here because he doesn't want his wife prostituting to put food on the table.
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I don't doubt the next thing on Obama's agenda, after healthcare is rammed down our throat against our will, is amnesty and open borders. Bush wanted it, I was against it then, I'm against it now. (Repeat ... Bush wanted open borders --- it's a terrible idea that he really promoted because of his close relationship with the Mexican President Fox.) Obama will likely finish what Bush wanted to do ... open the US borders with Canada and Mexico.
Bush was closer to the issue and personally I think we need a lot of reform. This is tying up resources and manpower to stop people who just want a crack at freedom. We're Americans. We can do better than this.
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I don't agree with a lot of Michael Savage, don't even like listening to him. However, I do agree with his assessment of borders, language, culture. You lose any one of these, you'll eventually lose them all ... and when you lose them all, you've lost the country.
I agree and I disagree. Nothing's static. Nothing stays the same forever. With the growth of Islam in the United States our grandchildren are going to face a VERY different United States. Your traditional white Protestant American family isn't have many children. We need to have bigger families. But that's not happening. Who knows... maybe a wave of millions of Mexican immigrants will bring a more "texmex" culture to the US, but at least will would be Catholic instead of Islamic. Those are just some random thoughts. LOL
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Again, there's a legal process in place ... follow it.
Aquilla, how would you propose to deal with the problem of illegal immigration? We can't just let anyone into this country that wants to be let in. We already have way to many jobless. How are we going to give them jobs?
Most are more resourceful that your average American. Frankly, I'm embarrassed to see how lazy Americans are. An immigrant is more likely to take two low paying jobs to make ends meet where as the American will just whine about how there aren't enough jobs. What he means are "well paying jobs". Also immigrants are more likely to know a trade with which they can provide service independently.
Most are more resourceful that your average American. Frankly, I'm embarrassed to see how lazy Americans are. An immigrant is more likely to take two low paying jobs to make ends meet where as the American will just whine about how there aren't enough jobs. What he means are "well paying jobs". Also immigrants are more likely to know a trade with which they can provide service independently.
Agreed, so what reforms need to take place? You're starting to sound like Obama with all this change it talk and not saying how you're going to change it
It's typically a steady progression. Most of the time they don't just come over here and start murdering people. They come here and they're illegal. They start working under the table. The person they work for pays them only half what they promised. They can't go to the police because they'll get deported. So they start selling a little dope to make up the difference. As they begin selling dope more money's rolling in. As more money rolls in the dope selling becomes more serious theft, then robbery, then murder.
Sadly, if the process was reformed or amnesty granted maybe he could have become a citizen and started honest and legal work before having to go down the rout of dope dealing.
Again, I don't believe that upstanding citizens immigrating here turn to a life of crime once they get here. It just doesn't make any sense. There are refugees that immigrate to other countries all the time to flee from a dictatorship government and such that don't resort to committing crimes simply because they are poor. If it happens at all, I believe it's such a rarity that it's hardly worth mentioning as a possibility.
I'd also ask why they are here illegally instead of going through proper channels. Illegals aren't just staying by the border. Some of them are able to get near the Canadian border. If they were so poor, how did they get there?
And I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that there's not a single Mexican in Mexico that doesn't know someone in the US. Someone that could help them immigrate legally. Someone with money that could get the ball rolling for them.
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That's true in some cases but you're painting with a pretty broad brush. Think of this, if we reformed the system or allowed a form of amnesty those who could become legal would race to be legal.... leaving those with records either getting caught in the background check process or leaving them illegal, thus leaving them weeded out from the other illegals who weren't criminals.
I think I'm all for that. We don't need the added crime here, that's for sure. But is there a way to find out background checks on people from Mexico? Do they keep records like we do here? I don't know, but it would help if they did.
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If we streamlined the process for illegals with nothing to hide to become legal it would leave those with a record to hide illegal. Then efforts to round up actual violent criminals would be less expensive and more fruitful.
Again, I agree. And I would add that if they commit a violent crime once they are here, they are gone.
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Aquilla, how would you propose to deal with the problem of illegal immigration? We can't just let anyone into this country that wants to be let in. We already have way to many jobless. How are we going to give them jobs?
Funny thing is, why do they want to come here for a job when all the jobs are moving to Mexico?? LOL!
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Again, cause and effect relationship. The Democrats are gaining their votes because the Democrats want to reform immigration. For legals who have illegal family in the United States, or family who wants to come here, the Republican hard line against immigration reform leaves them no choice but to vote Democratic because it's the biggest issue they face. BUT, if conservatives were to take up the cause for REAL reform... you'd see shift in the voting block.
And according to you and other liberals, "reform" means amnesty for the illegals here currently and relaxing the law to almost nothing. That's NOT reform. Reform really isn't needed ... ENFORCEMENT of the current law is needed.
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One gentleman I was talking about from Mexico illegally immigrated here to be with his girlfriend who at the time was pregnant with his daughter. He didn't want to not be able to be with his daughter when she was born so he sneaked in. Shortly after his daughter was born he was caught and sent back to Mexico. He sneaked in again and was deported a second time. His wife and his daughters then went to Mexico to be with him and they had to go through an extremely difficult process to get him in legally.
More than likely it was because the man broke the law coming across illegally in the first place. Again, it's a lengthy process; it's not easy, but at the same time it's not difficult and not unlike any other country you in which you want to gain resident status. If the guy hadn't broke the law in the first place, it would've been easier. Case closed.
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There are circumstances in these people's lives that we don't even know or care to know. We'd rather stereo type. I know of an illegal from Ecuador who has a family that is so poor in Ecuador he came here looking for work so he could send money home to help them survive. He says he's here because he doesn't want his wife prostituting to put food on the table.
While that would make a great story for an Oprah show, why do we have to be responsible for economic conditions in Ecuador? It's sad he feels his wife would have to sell herself for food, but how is his coming here going to help that?
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Bush was closer to the issue and personally I think we need a lot of reform. This is tying up resources and manpower to stop people who just want a crack at freedom. We're Americans. We can do better than this.
Bush just wanted hispanic votes. Plain and simple. He'd say whatever to whomever if it meant getting a large voting bloc ... including christians and hispanics, the two most guilible voting blocs.
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I agree and I disagree. Nothing's static. Nothing stays the same forever. With the growth of Islam in the United States our grandchildren are going to face a VERY different United States. Your traditional white Protestant American family isn't have many children. We need to have bigger families. But that's not happening. Who knows... maybe a wave of millions of Mexican immigrants will bring a more "texmex" culture to the US, but at least will would be Catholic instead of Islamic. Those are just some random thoughts. LOL
Catholic isn't any better than Islamic ... read any history?
The future will be different because of people who want to remove borders, "reform" immigration laws to next to nothing, and dumb down American history and culture.
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It's obviously not working. Reform it.
It does work ... it's just not being enforced. Were it enforced the way it should be, people would adapt to the legal process and it would work.
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