"death panels" obamacare

[MikeinAR]

Originally Posted by Twisp

That's why it won't just be Government ran health care. Private health insurance will still be there.

How many times do they need to be told that "if you like your healthcare insurance you can keep what you have" before it starts to click?

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Light

Palin has backed down, said her statement was wrong. Read the bill.

Where did she say her statement was wrong? Where did she back down?

On her Facebook page, former Alaska governor Sarah Palin says the future of the sick, the elderly, and the disabled will be determined by an Obama “death panel.”




The Democrats promise that a government health care system will reduce the cost of health care, but as the economist Thomas Sowell has pointed out, government health care will not reduce the cost; it will simply refuse to pay the cost. And who will suffer the most when they ration care? The sick, the elderly, and the disabled, of course. The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama’s “death panel” so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their “level of productivity in society,” whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil.

huffingtonpost.com — After making an extraordinary, unsupported and incendiary claim that President Obama's health care plan will result in a "death panel" that is fundamentally "evil" Former Alaska governor Sarah Palin is now calling for civility in the debate on health care reform. Does that mean the SEIU union thugs should try to send less people to the hospital?

She won't back down on abortion evah.

[Walks_in_islam]

It is evident that you do not want to be like them. It is also obvious that you want to remain inferior to them.

Originally Posted by edjen01

as a History teacher....this sounds a lot like the claims from the 1930's & 40's. Back then...everyone wanted "proof" that Hitler was doing what a small minority said he was doing...the "proof" was later found in the bodies of millions of dead people.

America is to large(land mass, social structure, economics, etc..)...for Government ran health care...or better put "Socialized Health Care". All of these other countries with government ran health care don't have the population, land mass, social, economic, etc...diversity that America has.

And i don't believe any of these countries were founded as a democratic republic.

If you like the way they live in those countries...then please move there. Why try and make America like them? We don't want to be them!!

[coadie]

Originally Posted by MikeinAR

How many times do they need to be told that "if you like your healthcare insurance you can keep what you have" before it starts to click?

Both Barney fFrannkie and King Hussein have admitted they are going to a single payer. Read the bill.
I have already posted their videos saying single payor.

http://www.breitbart.tv/uncovered-vi...ate-insurance/

By the end of first term single payer / federal system

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-bY9...layer_embedded

Mike I am showing you as being wrong. Obama says so hissself!!!!

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

(laughing) That's been tried with me (the park thing). You just bring it pardner. I would think a superior level of medical care would at least imply that you wouldnt die sooner! Maybe we have different priorities....

Your thinking obviously is tainted by the coolaid youve been sipping.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Twisp

I wish someone could show proof of these death panels. Everyone says this but no one can show where it is the case in his health care bill.

Start with this. YOUR president said as much in the video clip. (and no, you dont need to read the article attached to hear his words although I recomend it)

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/07/2...t-painkillers/

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by MikeinAR

How many times do they need to be told that "if you like your healthcare insurance you can keep what you have" before it starts to click?

Mike according to the 1000 plus page bill, insurance companies have to stop taking new members as early as 2013. the bill clearly indicates a push to a single payer system!

I cant tell you how many Dems (including Barak Obama and House leadership) saying they want single payer but that we cant just go there right now.

it boggles my mind that you cannot see this for what it is. a middle step to single payer.

but regardless, THIS bill creates a governing body that makes decisions on how healthcare is handled... and who gets treated.

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by Ferd

Start with this. YOUR president said as much in the video clip. (and no, you dont need to read the article attached to hear his words although I recomend it)

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/07/2...t-painkillers/

Exactly where did our President say that?

Was it where he said he did not want bureaucracy making medical decisions? Or was it where he talked about the doctors and patients making the decisions? Or was it where he said that end of life decisions were ultimately between physicians and patients?

All that video showed is that the "death panels" would be between the physician and the patient.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Twisp

Exactly where did our President say that?

Was it where he said he did not want bureaucracy making medical decisions? Or was it where he talked about the doctors and patients making the decisions? Or was it where he said that end of life decisions were ultimately between physicians and patients?

All that video showed is that the "death panels" would be between the physician and the patient.

Twisp your falling for the non-sense. He said very clearly that at some point "we" have to tell the old person to take the painkiller instead of surgery.


He wraps all this around talk of Dr./Patient mumbo jumbo but he is clearly stating that the government is going to be involved.

and that bill clearly indicates such. period.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by MikeinAR

How many times do they need to be told that "if you like your healthcare insurance you can keep what you have" before it starts to click?

Because it is a lie. They will only let you keep it for about 5 years and then you will be forced to the state mandated insurance.