The New Magnificent Seven and the Little Magnifice

[Elizabeth]

Originally Posted by ForeverBlessed

I heard about a meeting going to take place... the opposite of the one in Oklahoma...

my only advice is... before they make changes, they better start preparing and teaching the people now how to live for God from their heart....cause you are going to have a major pendelum swing for some when you let go of the boundaries.

Very True!

[Jermyn Davidson]

My problem with standards are how they're preached, taught, and used to manipulate.



Maybe "standards" should not be let go of...




I don't know how I could type such nonsense except maybe it's a bit more sensible than what I'd like to admit.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by ForeverBlessed

I heard about a meeting going to take place... the opposite of the one in Oklahoma...

my only advice is... before they make changes, they better start preparing and teaching the people now how to live for God from their heart....cause you are going to have a major pendelum swing for some when you let go of the boundaries.

If the saints in those churches got it going on with God, they will be okay.

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by ForeverBlessed

I heard about a meeting going to take place... the opposite of the one in Oklahoma...

my only advice is... before they make changes, they better start preparing and teaching the people now how to live for God from their heart....cause you are going to have a major pendelum swing for some when you let go of the boundaries.

It' sad ..but it's the truth. So many OP's that are living by the rules of their assemblies know very little about living for God from their hearts.

Reminds me of the title of a book, "Chritianity without the cross"

That tiltle does describe legalistic rule enforcing churches.

[ForeverBlessed]

Originally Posted by freeatlast

It' sad ..but it's the truth. So many OP's that are living by the rules of their assemblies know very little about living for God from their hearts.

Reminds me of the title of a book, "Chritianity without the cross"

That tiltle does describe legalistic rule enforcing churches.

The mistake is when you have churches who just tell people how to live for God, but never allow room for people to grow by teaching and equipping them to serve God from a very personal relationship with God… the kind of relationship that only comes from a daily prayer and reading/studying the word often… there is no other way to serve him. In order to have life in us and to live by him… we have to partake of the Spirit/wine and Word/flesh daily… John 6:53 It has just been my experience that often people live from what they are told and not from true experience with him.

I had someone close to me tell me once to stop telling my girls how to live, and teach them how to live right… I stopped and thought about it… You really never get anywhere by just telling someone how to do something… but teaching and leading by example works much better. I have spent much time leading by example… but way more time telling than actually teaching and making them think for themselves. I’ve had to change.

I thought of how I learned to live for God and to hear his voice for myself… it took someone teaching me the Word…and teach he did. He would ask questions of me…and make me search out the answers for myself… in doing so, I fell in love with the Word of God. I no longer had someone just telling me something from a pulpit…but I learned by being encouraged to study and to listen to God.

It has made a big difference in my relationship with God…. I’m learning of him… just not hearing about him. The word hidden in my heart is what keeps me from sinning against him…

I might be labeled a liberal… I don’t like labels because in some areas, I might be more conservative than upc, but in some areas, I am as liberal as the most liberal person on this forum.

I just caution removing guardrails from people if they have not been taught to be in the Word for themselves. If you take someone who assumes hair cutting is sin just as much as going out drinking is sin…then you will have confused people who might go haywire unless they are spiritually stable and strong.

I speak from experience of watching it first hand.

sorry to ramble… I’m bad at that..

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by ForeverBlessed

The mistake is when you have churches who just tell people how to live for God, but never allow room for people to grow by teaching and equipping them to serve God from a very personal relationship with God… the kind of relationship that only comes from a daily prayer and reading/studying the word often… there is no other way to serve him. In order to have life in us and to live by him… we have to partake of the Spirit/wine and Word/flesh daily… John 6:53 It has just been my experience that often people live from what they are told and not from true experience with him.

I had someone close to me tell me once to stop telling my girls how to live, and teach them how to live right… I stopped and thought about it… You really never get anywhere by just telling someone how to do something… but teaching and leading by example works much better. I have spent much time leading by example… but way more time telling than actually teaching and making them think for themselves. I’ve had to change.

I thought of how I learned to live for God and to hear his voice for myself… it took someone teaching me the Word…and teach he did. He would ask questions of me…and make me search out the answers for myself… in doing so, I fell in love with the Word of God. I no longer had someone just telling me something from a pulpit…but I learned by being encouraged to study and to listen to God.

It has made a big difference in my relationship with God…. I’m learning of him… just not hearing about him. The word hidden in my heart is what keeps me from sinning against him…

I might be labeled a liberal… I don’t like labels because in some areas, I might be more conservative than upc, but in some areas, I am as liberal as the most liberal person on this forum.

I just caution removing guardrails from people if they have not been taught to be in the Word for themselves. If you take someone who assumes hair cutting is sin just as much as going out drinking is sin…then you will have confused people who might go haywire unless they are spiritually stable and strong.

I speak from experience of watching it first hand.

sorry to ramble… I’m bad at that..

I didn't think you were rambling and I enjoyed reading your post. I understand what you are saying and I must sincerely apologize to you because I know that I have offended you in the past by one of my responses to you. I have regretted it, every day, since! I hope you will accept my heartfelt apology!

You have spoken about your mistakes, some regrets and also on your experiences. I find value in all of it! You do have something to say because of your experiences - wisdom to impart!

I do agree that some people do live through their pastor or their parents, but as Mizpeh said, "If they have it going on with God, they will be okay."

I know a lot of people that have it going on, but I also know some, as you have seen, that don't.

We've always taught our children that God wants them ask him questions and hear their prayers and not just ours - He wants them to understand Him in His Word and not just what we tell them. I'm finding that has paid off as they are getting older.

So, I take your advice above as being good sound advice!!!

God bless, Lisa!

[rgcraig]

Sounds like a JP thread to me.

[EA]

As long as there have been men there have been meetings.

Men will meet.

At least this group isn't lying about meeting.

At least they aren't planning to form an org, and then claiming they aren't.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Edward Anglin

As long as there have been men there have been meetings.

Men will meet.

At least this group isn't lying about meeting.

At least they aren't planning to form an org, and then claiming they aren't.

so they are claiming to form an org?

[EA]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

so they are claiming to form an org?

I have no idea.