Women Pastors- equal Dying Denominations - Page 7

edjen01 · #61 05-06-2009, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ILG

Big men don't feel threatened by women. However, some people sincerely do believe that the Bible doesn't allow women pastors.

sincerity doesn't equal truth. a person can be sincerly wrong.

Hoovie · #62 05-06-2009, 10:43 AM

Edjen, do you believe there was not one qualified woman Christ could have chosen as a Disciple?

I don't think the issue is qualification of talents and abilities to perform at all.

edjen01 · #63 05-06-2009, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

Edjen, do you believe there was not one qualified woman Christ could have chosen as a Disciple?

I don't think the issue is qualification of talents and abilities to perform at all.

i believe there were many...but because of the cultural restrictions of His day...He MAY have not called any. remember...we read a manitized version of His calling of disciples.

so...if it is not talents(given by God) or abilities(some natural some learned)....then what is it? anointing? calling? do you believe God would gift someone...but then tell them "if only you would've been born a man...what a great pastor you would've made"

ILG · #64 05-06-2009, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by edjen01

sincerity doesn't equal truth. a person can be sincerly wrong.

Of course, but they do sincerly believe it and so it colors all their thinking on the matter and, unfortunatley, about women's capabilites in general.

LadyRev · #65 05-06-2009, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

My honest opinion is...women need to be sensitive to how God created men...yes even to the male ego, when teaching. Women can be teachers but they have to understand guys.

There was a thread here on a study of how there are so few men in the church but more women. It basically said the church was too feminine for men. It was geared to women and not men emotionally speaking.

I think there is some truth to that.

The same can be said for male leaders. They need to be sensitive to how God created women. Men can be teachers of women but they have to understand women. It shouldn't simply be "assumed" that if a man is called by God that he is automatically able to effectively minister to women.

This sensitivity and understanding is often lacking yet women don't generally bail out of the church saying its too masculine and its geared towards men.

Personally, I don't buy this "feminization of the church" stuff among apostolic churches at all. It doesn't even make sense.

Hoovie · #66 05-06-2009, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by LadyRev

The same can be said for male leaders. They need to be sensitive to how God created women. Men can be teachers of women but they have to understand women. It shouldn't simply be "assumed" that if a man is called by God that he is automatically able to effectively minister to women.

This sensitivity and understanding is often lacking yet women don't generally bail out of the church saying its too masculine and its geared towards men.

Personally, I don't buy this "feminization of the church" stuff among apostolic churches at all. It doesn't even make sense.

LOL! As a lady and a "Rev" should we have expected anything less from you??

Hoovie · #67 05-06-2009, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by edjen01

i believe there were many...but because of the cultural restrictions of His day...He MAY have not called any. remember...we read a manitized version of His calling of disciples.

so...if it is not talents(given by God) or abilities(some natural some learned)....then what is it? anointing? calling? do you believe God would gift someone...but then tell them "if only you would've been born a man...what a great pastor you would've made"

Yeah, I have heard that, but it does not seem like Christ at all - to shirk. Much of what He did was counter cultural and it included giving women equal value and standing with God.

I don't see the holy scripture as "manatized" but rather perfect in it's entirity.

One could have natural abilities and yet not be called. I may have all the characteristics needed to nuture and mother my children, yet in no way does that mean I was called to be a mother.

edjen01 · #68 05-06-2009, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by LadyRev

The same can be said for male leaders. They need to be sensitive to how God created women. Men can be teachers of women but they have to understand women. It shouldn't simply be "assumed" that if a man is called by God that he is automatically able to effectively minister to women.

This sensitivity and understanding is often lacking yet women don't generally bail out of the church saying its too masculine and its geared towards men.

Personally, I don't buy this "feminization of the church" stuff among apostolic churches at all. It doesn't even make sense.

then what is your explaination for why most churches are disproportionally(?) made up of women?

LadyRev · #69 05-06-2009, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

LOL! As a lady and a "Rev" should we have expected anything less from you??

Of course not.

I might add that as a youth pastor, I have an awful time with my girls because everything is geared towards men/boys and most of them want to be a part of everything and anything the men/boys are doing whether its best for them or not!

Granted, some of this is due to society and the times we are living in. But a large portion of it is also due to the church being dominantly geared towards men.

edjen01 · #70 05-06-2009, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

Yeah, I have heard that, but it does not seem like Christ at all - to shirk. Much of what He did was counter cultural and it included giving women equal value and standing with God.

I don't see the holy scripture as "manatized" but rather perfect in it's entirity.

One could have natural abilities and yet not be called. I may have all the characteristics needed to nuture and mother my children, yet in no way does that mean I was called to be a mother.

why would this be shirking? and while He does believe women are equal with men...He made both...we never read of him charging into the temple and demanding equal seating rights for both...or equal pay...neither does he start an anti-slavery coalition. what i'm saying is that Jesus came for a primary purpose...to redeem us to God...and did not allow himself to get sidetracked with many other issues of his culture.

as for the NT being manatized....do you really think that the 27 books contained in the NT are the only and best teachings about Christ and His Church? And don't you think that there were any books writen by women/or about women during this time? wonder why they would not be included?

while we cannot know exactly everything that went on to create the NT...this we do know...a group of men...took a large group of books(way more than 27)...and through debate and dicussion decided on some...and then from that group(more than 27) came the 27 that we now have.

with the natual abilites...i think you misread me....or maybe I miswrote. I said...or meant to say...that God calls those who He has gifted. nowhere did I say that gifting = calling. some are called and some are not....but I believe there are many more who are gifted than are called...and likewise many who simply do(pastor) who are not called or gifted....but thats another thread.

I didn't realize "motherhood" was a calling....hmmm....i learned something today!!