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[Jason B]

Well now, we have fool proof way to see if they are real Jews or fake Jews.

How many Jews have caught the SWINE FLU????? ROFL

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Jason

Bro. Mike, I certainly was referring to you amongst others. Please don't take it in offence, but you like EB and TK do not belive that the Jews of today are "biblical Jews", but that they are all only religious converts to Judaism-not blood Jews. Correct me if I am wrong.

To me that is playing both sides of the issue, when really basically you are denying that there are still (natural) children of Abraham on earth today, and more specifically that they are primarily inhabiting the land of Israel.

Again, correct me if I'm wrong, and don't take it in offence, you know I have been in support of you on different issues, and also spoken well of you on a personal level when you were attacked by others. On this one though we disagree.

Brother Jason so when are you going to produce the proof that the Jews living today are the same as those who were related to Adam, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and King David? They cannot prove their lineage back to Biblical times, therefore by Bible standards they would not be considered Jews by Biblical definition. Are there Jews today? Yes, are they descended from the Jews of the Bible? Hardly, they are mostly from Slavic Turko Eastern European decent, thus explaining the blonde hair and blue eyes and white skin. Jesus didn't have white skin, and blue eyes.

Everything had to do with genealogy as concerning Biblical lineage
Not one place in the Bible does God have to TELL anyone which tribe they were related to. But to listen to you and Elder Epley you now teach people that in the future the Angel of the Lord is going to tell everyone which tribe they are descended from? Sounds like the Mormons, in the Mormon Temple in Salt Lake City, Mormons are confirmed, and when they are they are told what tribe they belong to. Imagine, maybe in the future you and Elder Epley may be the two witnesses of Revelation 11, and you and the dear Elder will be laying hands on Jews in Israel telling them which tribe they belong to.

1Ch 5:1-7

"Now the sons of Reuben the firstborn of Israel, (for he was the firstborn; but, forasmuch as he defiled his father's bed, his birthright was given unto the sons of Joseph the son of Israel: and the GENEALOGY is not to be reckoned after the birthright. For Judah prevailed above his brethren, and of him came the chief ruler; but the birthright was Joseph's The sons, I say, of Reuben the firstborn of Israel were, Hanoch, and Pallu, Hezron, and Carmi. The sons of Joel; Shemaiah his son, Gog his son, Shimei his son, Micah his son, Reaia his son, Baal his son, Beerah his son, whom Tilgathpilneser king of Assyria carried away captive: he was prince of the Reubenites. And his BRETHREN by their FAMILIES, when the GENEALOGY of their GENERATIONS was reckoned, were the chief, Jeiel, and Zechariah,"

1Ch 7:1-9

"Now the sons of Issachar were, Tola, and Puah, Jashub, and Shimron, four. And the sons of Tola; Uzzi, and Rephaiah, and Jeriel, and Jahmai, and Jibsam, and Shemuel, heads of their father's house, to wit, of Tola: they were valiant men of might in their GENERATIONS; whose number was in the days of David two and twenty thousand and six hundred. And the sons of Uzzi; Izrahiah: and the sons of Izrahiah; Michael, and Obadiah, and Joel, Ishiah, five: all of them chief men. And with them, by their GENERATIONS, after the house of their fathers, were bands of soldiers for war, six and thirty thousand men: for they had many wives and sons. And their brethren among all the families of Issachar were valiant men of might, RECKONED in all by their GENEALOGIES fourscore and seven thousand. The sons of Benjamin; Bela, and Becher, and Jediael, three. And the sons of Bela; Ezbon, and Uzzi, and Uzziel, and Jerimoth, and Iri, five; heads of the house of their fathers, mighty men of valour; and were reckoned by their GENEALOGIES twenty and two thousand and thirty and four. And the sons of Becher; Zemira, and Joash, and Eliezer, and Elioenai, and Omri, and Jerimoth, and Abiah, and Anathoth, and Alameth. All these are the sons of Becher. And the number of them, after their GENEALOGY by their GENERATIONS, HEADS OF THE HOUSE OF THEIR FATHERS, mighty men of valour, was twenty thousand and two hundred."

1Ch 7:40

"All these were the children of Asher, HEADS OF THEIR FATHER'S HOUSE, choice and mighty men of valour, chief of the princes. And the number throughout the GENEALOGY of them that were apt to the war and to battle was twenty and six thousand men."


1Ch 9:22

"All these which were chosen to be porters in the gates were two hundred and twelve. These were RECKONED BY THEIR GENEALOGY in their villages, whom David and Samuel the seer did ordain in their set office."

Brothers Jason, and Epley, where did God have to tell anyone which tribe they belonged to? Everything had to be done by genealogy registry, everyone had to know which line, and which family they were from and out from. It was the Samaritans who were mutts, and couldn't prove who they were, and the Jews hated them for that. Do you think the Biblical Jews of the Bible would welcome those who call themselves Jews today? They would see them as mixed as the Samaritans were.

2Ch 31:16-20

"Beside their GENEALOGY of males, from three years old and upward, even unto every one that entereth into the house of the LORD, his daily portion for their service in their charges according to their courses; Both to THE GENEALOGY of the priests by the house of their fathers, and the Levites from twenty years old and upward, in their charges by their courses; And to THE GENEALOGY of all their little ones, their wives, and their sons, and their daughters, through all the congregation: for in their set office they sanctified themselves in holiness: Also of the sons of Aaron the priests, which were in the fields of the suburbs of their cities, in every several city, the men that were expressed by name, to give portions to all the males among the priests, and to all that were RECKONED BY GENEALOGIES among the Levites. And thus did Hezekiah throughout all Judah, and wrought that which was good and right and truth before the LORD his God."

Ezr 2:62

"These sought their REGISTER among those that were RECKONED BY GENEALOGY, but they were NOT FOUND: therefore were they, as POLLUTED, put from the priesthood."

So, if you were to use the above criteria on the Jews living today would they pass the test Biblically? The honest straight forward answer would be NO WAY.

Yet, those who believe that the Israelis living over in Israel are directly related to the Jews of the Bible, have to ignore the scripture, just like they ignore the scripture in other parts of their teachings. Those Jews living today could never measure up to the Biblical standard of Ezar 2:62, nor any other scripture that begs for genealogical proofs.

Ezr 8:1

"These are now the chief of their fathers, and this is THE GENEALOGY of them that went up with me from Babylon, in the reign of Artaxerxes the king."

Ezr 8:3

"Of the sons of Shechaniah, of the sons of Pharosh; Zechariah: and with him were RECKONED BY GENEALOGY of the males an hundred and fifty."

Neh 7:5

"And my God put into mine heart to gather together the nobles, and the rulers, and the people, that they might be RECKONED BY GENEALOGY. And I found a REGISTER OF THE GENEALOGY of them which came up at the first, and found written therein,"

No Jew living today could qualify even if they were to find a registry buried in Jerusalem. They were only in Babylon for only 70 years, not long enough to mix their seed in such a way that they would be as badly mingled as those who settled in Samaria. This teaching is so easy to see, and yet it is so simple that you are missing the major point. Yes there are those who are called Jews today, but they are not direct decedents of Adam, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and King David. The Bible criteria needs to be dealt with if anyone is going to claim the return of Christ is yet a future event for the restoration of a certain group of people.

Lord bless you my friend

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

There are NO Jews in Isreal them Arabs blowing the place up for nothing.

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

YOU -Benne_Blume are saying there are NO Jews so I am repeating what y'all are teaching. Either there are or are NOT Jews today.

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

You guys posts all this junk page after page and someone calls y'all on it and y'all go crying like babies. Make up your minds are there JEWS today?

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

These guys have been posting with me for years they know I am pulling their chain however it is so close to what they really believe it is uncomfortable for them. Rush says "WORDS MEAN SOMETHING."

No disrespect, but now you not only teach from Song Books, but you get your cues from a radio personality whose strung out on oxycottons?

I love you Elder Epley

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by onlygrace

The three B's are quoting Scripture and Elder Epley is quoting Rush?

Elder Epley also teaches Eschatology from song books.
































j/k

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

No disrespect, but now you not only teach from Song Books, but you get your cues from a radio personality whose strung out on oxycottons?

I love you Elder Epley

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

Love those songs and Rush.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Jason

That being said, I do think those who pierced Him refers to Israel as a nation-such as in Zech 12.

Hi Jason,

Rev 1:7 simply cannot refer to Israel as a nation any way we slice it, since that is saying present day Israel is accountable for the sins of their ancestors 2000 years ago, by calling them people who pierced Jesus. The sin of piercing Jesus cannot be considered as an activity which present day descendants can be accused of.

God bless!

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

There is NOT a Jew on the face of the earth. Ask Benne-Burk-Blume tell every Arab you see. Tell them they can loosen the towel on their heads.

Bro Epley, you made the accusation and I presented facts about my beliefs that claims you are wrong in including my name. Hear it: I believe there are genuine biblical Jews in the world today who are not "spiritual jews" but the Jews as in the days of the Bible. Now, will you retract your false accusation of me?

You publicly state this about me, and when I make every effort to prove to you that you are wrong, you say nothing. What gives?

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Hi Jason,

Rev 1:7 simply cannot refer to Israel as a nation any way we slice it, since that is saying present day Israel is accountable for the sins of their ancestors 2000 years ago, by calling them people who pierced Jesus. The sin of piercing Jesus cannot be considered as an activity which present day descendants can be accused of.

God bless!

Bro. Blume, you are 100% correct! You make such a simple point, and yet to believe otherwise has lead to Jewish persecutions for centuries. This is one of the reasons why it is so ridiculous for dispensationalists to label prets as Anti-Semitic, since we are the ones who believe exactly the opposite!

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by TK Burk

Bro. Blume, you are 100% correct! You make such a simple point, and yet to believe otherwise has lead to Jewish persecutions for centuries. This is one of the reasons why it is so ridiculous for dispensationalists to label prets as Anti-Semitic, since we are the ones who believe exactly the opposite!

Amen my good brother. I am closing my discussion with Bro Epley, and am actually shocked he has not acknowledged my fair attempt at proving him incorrect. Making an accusation against a brother, and failing to acknowledge that brother's response, and moreso, refusing to accept it is intolerable.

And making such an accusation and not proving it with quotes to validate that accusation is... is... is... unchristian, I think.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Hi Jason,

Rev 1:7 simply cannot refer to Israel as a nation any way we slice it, since that is saying present day Israel is accountable for the sins of their ancestors 2000 years ago, by calling them people who pierced Jesus. The sin of piercing Jesus cannot be considered as an activity which present day descendants can be accused of.

God bless!

They said "let his blood be upon us and on our children," Jesus said Mt. 23:34-39! Elder Blume there is a TILL in verse 39. And THEY(Isreal) WILL when IT(Isreal) shall be turned to the Lord.

Elder Blume Titus could not destroy them- Hitler's furnaces could not rid the world of them and all this conceit of the wild branches will NOT stop them. God will keep His word they are BELOVED concerning the election and God is NOT going to change his mind about them. Rom. 11:28-29.
You will NOT stop God. Shalom.