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04-10-2007, 09:46 PM
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To say there are no absolutes is an absolute statement thus rendering that statement false... Logic is wonderful... lol lol
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Originally Posted by Berkeley
To some, the only absolute is that there are no absolutes! And others have absolutes that are obsolete!
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04-10-2007, 09:47 PM
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Truth is found in more places than scripture. Otherwise Paul would not have quoted pagan poets in his sermons and writings.
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Truth is absolute. It is found in scripture.
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A religious spirit allows people to tolerate hatred and anger under the guise of passion and holiness. Bill Johnson
Legalism has no pity on people. Legalism makes my opinion your burden, makes opinion your boundary, makes my opinion your obligation-Lucado
Some get spiritual because they see the light. Others because they feel the heat.Ray Wylie Hubbard
Definition of legalism- Damned if you do. Damned if you don't. TV
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04-10-2007, 09:47 PM
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To say there are no absolutes is an absolute statement thus rendering that statement false... Logic is wonderful... lol lol
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04-10-2007, 09:47 PM
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Truth is found in more places than scripture. Otherwise Paul would not have quoted pagan poets in his sermons and writings.
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Well, clearly Paul must have backslid!! (TIC)
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04-10-2007, 09:49 PM
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That's beside the point. If it is the truth, MUST we obey it...not "what does baptism do for us anyways"?
How can we say we are saved or someone is saved if the truth of baptism is a non issue? If baptism in the name of Jesus christ IS the truth and I mean the original practice of the church excluded any repeating "I baptize you in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost" as the truth....are those people saved? Or is truth subjective and God will just wink at their ignorance? (the converse could be true too)
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Is there any place in the NT where someone actually invokes a formula as we do today such as, "Upon the confession of your faith and in obedience to the Word of God I baptize you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins?"
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04-10-2007, 09:49 PM
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Yeah... There wasn't enough King James Text to refer to at that time. Those poets made Don Imus look like a saint.
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Well, clearly Paul must have backslid!! (TIC)
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Legalism has no pity on people. Legalism makes my opinion your burden, makes opinion your boundary, makes my opinion your obligation-Lucado
Some get spiritual because they see the light. Others because they feel the heat.Ray Wylie Hubbard
Definition of legalism- Damned if you do. Damned if you don't. TV
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04-10-2007, 09:50 PM
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Yeah... There wasn't enough King James Text to refer to at that time.
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lol
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04-10-2007, 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Truly Blessed
Is there any place in the NT where someone actually invokes a formula as we do today such as, "Upon the confession of your faith and in obedience to the Word of God I baptize you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins?"
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Give ... me ... a second ... I'm sure I'll find it ... it's got to be here somewhere ....
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04-10-2007, 09:56 PM
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That's two different things....are THEY being untruthful and are they OBEYING "The TRUTH" see truth ends up being subjective...Does God have an absolute truth and HOW important is it for us to obey it?
Is someone baptized,thinking the truth is that baptism is to be done with some preacher saying "I baptize you in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost" or even "I baptize you in the name of Jesus" or some other way, obedient to the truth? Did they obey the truth when they thought they were being baptized the TRUE way? When they are told "baptism is by submerssion with the preacher saying xxxxxx" and they obey THAT are they obeying GOD's absolute truth?
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If someone is baptizing with the understanding that they are doing so in the authority of the name of Jesus Christ, although they follow the traditional formula passed on to them, have they met the requirement of Jesus Christ to baptize in His name [authority]?
Was it Saul who was to call on the name of the Lord or Ananias, who baptized him?
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04-10-2007, 10:01 PM
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If someone is baptizing with the understanding that they are doing so in the authority of the name of Jesus Christ, although they follow the traditional formula passed on to them, have they met the requirement of Jesus Christ to baptize in His name [authority]?
Was it Saul who was to call on the name of the Lord or Ananias, who baptized him?
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Is this the same Ananias that called Saul brother BEFORE baptizing him???
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