Yes, I doubt anyone planning a robbery or home invasion is targeting a particular family because their Christians. Now that MAY start happening at some point in the future but I don't see it now. Thus, no persecution involved, just violence.
And I have no problems with someone allowing themselves to be harmed by an intruder -turning the other cheek so to speak, but to allow their wife or children to be harmed reeks of cowardliness. In such a situation praying to God to protect your family -and not doing anything yourself is like the guy on the roof praying to God to save him from the flood and turning away the guy who appears in the boat because you think GOD will save you, not him.
O Daniel was the GOD that you serve able to deliver you from the mouth of the lion?
Scenario 1: You meet an intruder in your home, perceive (correctly, in this scenario) that he is a serious threat to your family. You shoot him and kill him.
Scenario 2: You meet an intruder in your home, perceive (correctly, in this scenario also) that he is a serious threat to your family. You try to talk him out of harming anyone, but he kills you all.
In both scenarios, everyone in your family is saved and the intruder is not. What are the eternal consequences of each scenario?
Scenario 3: I shoot the intruder, and the members of my family go on to make a significant difference in the spiritual lives of many more people. That’s an eternal consequence.
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one.
Not being willing to defend your family is unacceptable.
Scenario 3: I shoot the intruder, and the members of my family go on to make a significant difference in the spiritual lives of many more people. That’s an eternal consequence.
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one.
Not being willing to defend your family is unacceptable.
Patrick
Yes, that is one possible "what happened later" of scenario 1 (and not the only one, I would add). But what about the immediate outcome?
Scenario 1: one soul enters hell, to be tormented forever.
Scenario 2: everyone in your family enters heaven.
Note that a possible follow-up to scenario 2 is that the murderer later gets saved. No possibility of that in 1.
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
Yes, that is one possible "what happened later" of scenario 1 (and not the only one, I would add). But what about the immediate outcome?
Scenario 1: one soul enters hell, to be tormented forever.
Scenario 2: everyone in your family enters heaven.
Note that a possible follow-up to scenario 2 is that the murderer later gets saved. No possibility of that in 1.
Taking THIS thought to its logical extreme makes you realize how we should be holding ticker tape parades for every abortion doctor who has ever killed a baby. After all, EVERY baby that the good doctor kills is going to heaven versus 1% (or .01% according to some of our good UC friends) of babies that live will make it -the vast majority will eventually be burning endlessly.
Taking THIS thought to its logical extreme makes you realize how we should be holding ticker tape parades for every abortion doctor who has ever killed a baby. After all, EVERY baby that the good doctor kills is going to heaven versus 1% (or .01% according to some of our good UC friends) of babies that live will make it -the vast majority will eventually be burning endlessly.
Some people don't like to think about that.
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
Yes, that is one possible "what happened later" of scenario 1 (and not the only one, I would add). But what about the immediate outcome?
Scenario 1: one soul enters hell, to be tormented forever.
Scenario 2: everyone in your family enters heaven.
Note that a possible follow-up to scenario 2 is that the murderer later gets saved. No possibility of that in 1.
I don't live my life or faith based on a "What if" or possiblilty scenario. TO me it's black and white, you enter my house and threaten my family, I shoot.
He broke the law and threatened my family. I won't let my family die over a "what-if".
Scenario 1: His issue and his consequence , not my problem. He chose that path.
Patrick
Last edited by Patrick Harris; 09-23-2011 at 02:58 PM.
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