Obama: Quit Listening to Rush Limbaugh

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by Light

Hey Rev. how come you don't griped about the corporate welfare of the last 8years. The largest socialist program by republicans. Republicans have started the US on the socialist path.
Did you gripe when Cheney's co received millions upon millions of welfare dollars. How about the rich republican potato farmer in Idaho who receives welfare called farm subsidy? It ok if the republicans try to stay in power by giving hand outs to the rich but if a democrat gives money to a poor mother working two jobs the republican cryfoul.

I doubt you know me well since you ask why I don't gripe about Corporate welfare. This thread was not discussing Corporate welfare, but since you brought it up, I believe that what applies to individuals, also applies to group of individuals or the folks that are behind legal entities.

I'm against the bail outs. I'm against our Government taking over the banks. I'm against men of no character ruining our county, whether they be in the poor house or in the Capitol building!

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by nahkoe

Did I say that I think people who don't pay taxes should get a check from the treasury department?

sorry, wrong person

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Innocuous

You guys are too late to try to make this argument, it's been going on for YEARS and during Republican administrations. One manifestation of it is Earn Income Tax Credit. Seems like nothing but partisan politics to complain about it now.

Besides, how do you know that these people haven't paid taxes? We've lost MILLIONS of jobs this year. Did these people not pay taxes when they were working? Should they not reap the benefit of their taxes during their time of need?

The vast majorit of the people who will benefit from this help are responsible, hard working people like you and me who have fallen on hard times and need help to get back on their feet and do their part to be responsible citizens and help turn this economy around.

I don't understand this seemingly knee jerk reaction against gov't helping people in need. We spend 11 BILLION dollars a month prosecuting a war in Iraqi and it seems to accepted almost w/out question. But if someone talks about spending a few billion to help our own citizens and the poor suddenly people wring their hands and get distraught. WWJD? Would he spend 11 BILLION a MONTH on a war and hesitate to help the poor and needy? Would he spend more on war than ministry?

First of all we are not talking about welfare not EICs...which are for people that DO pay taxes. We are talking about returning TAXES back to tax payers as part of a way to stimulate the economy. Not as part of a way to help the poor more than what they are being helped. It's a subject of economics and politics, not welfare. That is a complete different issue. Nobody is saying not to help them and I certain did not so you are really shooting in teh wrong direction

Again, this is NOT about helping people in need. The subject are STIMULUS checks. That isn't about helping YOU really as much as it is to help STIMULATE the economy.

[Thomas Trini]

Originally Posted by Innocuous

Bill-O the clown, don't get me started. And now Hannity is becoming the Right's answer to Obermann. You're right, there is no unbiased news coverage.

I tend to prefer Newshour on PBS. At least they don't argue and talk 100 mph and slam other networks. All the others seem like 24 meets Walter Kronkite mashes to me.

PBS? You mean what I call The Palestinian Broadcasting System?

[Thomas Trini]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

I totally disagree.

We dont have to stoop to their level.
If democrats/leftists want to operate down there in the gutter, then let them. But we can still take the high road.

For 20+ years, Republicans have done that and gone nowhere. At some point, it's time to take the gloves off. As Mike Gallagher titled one of his books, "Wimps to the right of me, Crazies to the left." The Republicans have no spine. That's why McCain lost. He tried to stifle Sarah Palin and his own people from taking shots at Obama and all the loonie lefties.

[Bigman]

It's just about impossible to believe what the democraps believe and be considered a christian. In regards to all of the comments above according to the bible when human government trys to bring peace and fails God is going to set up spiritual government. In order for the human government to fail there has to be someone in office to take the world down that road. Looks to me like the right man is in office to make that happen.

[Aquila]

I think that Bush did more to get Obama elected than the Democrats. lol

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by RevDWW

I doubt you know me well since you ask why I don't gripe about Corporate welfare. This thread was not discussing Corporate welfare, but since you brought it up, I believe that what applies to individuals, also applies to group of individuals or the folks that are behind legal entities.

I'm against the bail outs. I'm against our Government taking over the banks. I'm against men of no character ruining our county, whether they be in the poor house or in the Capitol building!

Taxes on corporations are also nothing but an add-on to the Cost of Goods Sold. It is nothing but an additional cost which ends up in the final product or service. But because it is hidden, people are happy sticking it to the man and thinking (ignorantly) that it is not effecting them, just someone else.

[Innocuous]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

First of all we are not talking about welfare not EICs...which are for people that DO pay taxes. We are talking about returning TAXES back to tax payers as part of a way to stimulate the economy. Not as part of a way to help the poor more than what they are being helped. It's a subject of economics and politics, not welfare. That is a complete different issue. Nobody is saying not to help them and I certain did not so you are really shooting in teh wrong direction

Again, this is NOT about helping people in need. The subject are STIMULUS checks. That isn't about helping YOU really as much as it is to help STIMULATE the economy.

You are mistaken in regards to EIC's. For several years I have paid no federal income or state income taxes and received a sizable tax refund from each govt due to the wonders of EIC's and tax write-offs in the current tax code. I guess I'm a welfare recipient and deserving of scorn and derision by the fiscal conservatives on this board. Really, you're splitting hairs. A tax cut helps me AND the economy, at least in theory because chances are I'll spend the tax savings. The same applies here, people are getting tax breaks and the hope is they'll spend the money and thus help stimulate the economy. I don't see much difference. The mechanism is the same, the targeted people is the same, and the end result is the same. I used EIC's because I have been a person in need, a small business person in a tough sector and a now during tough times. The EIC helps me by reducing my tax burden and by giving me capital that I can re-invest in my business which is good for the economy.

[Innocuous]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Taxes on corporations are also nothing but an add-on to the Cost of Goods Sold. It is nothing but an additional cost which ends up in the final product or service. But because it is hidden, people are happy sticking it to the man and thinking (ignorantly) that it is not effecting them, just someone else.

Yep. As a business man, if my costs go up I don't sacrifice my profit, I increase your price. Three cheers for capitalism! Yay!