I read the link... I imagine the some of the accounts were overblown.
Osteen and family would have a huge target painted on thier foreheads, being the head of such a large prominent church.
It wouldn't have happened had she just patiently waited.
Hindsight, 20/20
How many times have I done something without thinking it through?
Too many to count.
Sounds like she's a princess.......
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In true old time Pentecost fashion just because you have not come out in a full frontal assault against JO we are now going to have to label you as;
1. Believing Mormons are saved Christians
2. Believing Muslims and other heatherns are going to heaven.
__________________ "I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
In true old time Pentecost fashion just because you have not come out in a full frontal assault against JO we are now going to have to label you as;
1. Believing Mormons are saved Christians
2. Believing Muslims and other heathens are going to heaven.
Not necessary. and simply untrue.
Nobody asked anyone for a "full frontal assault" (or any kind of assault) on anyone.
I simply asked the man if he was bothered by JO's glaring shortcomings... since he made a point of telling us how much he liked the guy, and liked his church, and seemed to be implying that some of us here were being too critical of the man's doctrinal positions.
But don't turn this into a distortion of what I've said here... or some kind of excuse to make some snarky comment about "old time Pentecost".
Nobody asked anyone for a "full frontal assault" (or any kind of assault) on anyone.
I simply asked the man if he was bothered by JO's glaring shortcomings... since he made a point of telling us how much he liked the guy, and liked his church, and seemed to be implying that some of us here were being too critical of the man's doctrinal positions.
But don't turn this into a distortion of what I've said here... or some kind of excuse to make some snarky comment about "old time Pentecost".
Now you have gone and hurt my feelings!
(you seemed pretty determined to get Monkeyperson to condemn JO for his shortcomings is all)
__________________ "I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
(you seemed pretty determined to get Monkeyperson to condemn JO for his shortcomings is all)
Nobody asked him to condemn anyone. (There u go again with the hyperbole.) It was a simple question of: "if you like so-and-so, are you bothered by so-and-so?"
... but the answer of "I don't want to get into that, because I'm only called to music ministry" just seemed to me to be a bit fallacious to me, and inconsistent in a certain sense.
Anyway, it is what it is.
No need rehashing this endlessly.
I have heard that in fact the worship team at his church is anointed.
Maybe it would be good for more Pentecostal preachers to speak plainly more often than they do.
Maybe it would be good for more Pentecostal saints to sit and actually listen to what the preacher is saying instead of "amening" themselves into an emotional frenzy that results in an unchanged life dependent on that next "Pentecostal high" for any semblance of deliverance.
You can listen and even say "amen"...and I've never been in a church meeting where someone amened themselves into an emotional frenzy...have you done this?
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There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
Sheesh man you don't get it at all. One last kick at the can and then we're done okay?? There are those who's calling is to preach, point out false doctrines, preach the Message. That is NOT my calling. I, again I TR, I don't criticize, that is for OTHERS to do. YOU seem to have picked up that mantle, now you're criticizing me, have at it I guess.
I don't think recognizing false doctrine is a calling. False doctrine and false teachers arise because not enough people will do or say something, not a reflection on anyone in particular just the very notion itself the bible warns on
2Pe 2:1 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.
2Pe 2:2 And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
Mat 7:15 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
We've even discussed UPC preachers preaching false doctrine here
__________________ Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
Apparently she thnks the name "Victoria" means she is Queen Victoria and must be obeyed, waited on IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!!
If there is a polar opposite of the fruit of the spirit I think that is what she displayed here. I would have loved to have seen Joel's face when all of this went down. He probably wanted to go hide somewhere.
They need to build their own private air port and get a private jet to avoid such annoyances in the future
__________________ Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
I read the link... I imagine the some of the accounts were overblown.
Osteen and family would have a huge target painted on thier foreheads, being the head of such a large prominent church.
It wouldn't have happened had she just patiently waited.
Hindsight, 20/20
How many times have I done something without thinking it through?
Too many to count.
I guarantee you that airline would kiss their rear ends if given the chance. The FBI was called. I've never been kicked off an airline
__________________ Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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