Is "One-Step" Closer To Hell?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Ron

What God does is his prerogative.
Our duty is to teach,preach, & obey Acts 2:38 salvation message.

Anything else is just speculation.

Surely we all should preach repentance, what baptism in Jesus name, and the infilling of the Holy Ghost. However, we have people condemning people to a devil's Hell for being unforgiven of their sins because they lack water baptism...but God fills people with the Holy Ghost without baptism. That tells us that God is at odds with these 3 Steppers.

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Surely we all should preach repentance, what baptism in Jesus name, and the infilling of the Holy Ghost. However, we have people condemning people to a devil's Hell for being unforgiven of their sins because they lack water baptism...but God fills people with the Holy Ghost without baptism. That tells us that God is at odds with these 3 Steppers.

What is at odds is this, I believe the word says that there is one salvation plan to mankind that is Acts 2:38. I believe the word states that if one doesn't obey Acts 2:38 they are lost.

Now as for judging people as to thier eternal wherabouts, that is up to God.

We preach and teach em all--God sorts them out.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Ron

What is at odds is this, I believe the word says that there is one salvation plan to mankind that is Acts 2:38. I believe the word states that if one doesn't obey Acts 2:38 they are lost.

Now as for judging people as to thier eternal wherabouts, that is up to God.

We preach and teach em all--God sorts them out.

So you're saying we should preach that people will go to Hell without all three steps...even though this might not be true? That's some sloppy stuff bro. Is this what becomes of the Three Stepper when confronted with what God actually does?

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by Pianoman

Repentance is a frame of mind. If he planned to repent in front of his earthly father, he has repented to God.

There is more to repentance than an intent to repent, and it is more than a frame of mind PM. That is like making conditions for salvation. I will if.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Ron

What is at odds is this, I believe the word says that there is one salvation plan to mankind that is Acts 2:38. I believe the word states that if one doesn't obey Acts 2:38 they are lost.

Now as for judging people as to thier eternal wherabouts, that is up to God.

We preach and teach em all--God sorts them out.

I appreciate your words here Ron, but can you encapsulate where "the word says that there is one salvation plan to mankind that is Acts 2:38"?

I don't believe even Acts 2:38 says that.

And where does it say, "that if one doesn't obey Acts 2:38 they are lost"?

I appreciate your spirit and wisdom and I once whole-heartily tended to agreed with you on the "Acts 2:38 Message"®, but I've always been troubled by the exclusivity of this.

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Aquila

So you're saying we should preach that all people will go to Hell without all three steps...even though they might not really? That's some sloppy stuff bro.

How is it sloppy?

Is there not an Acts 2:38 message?
Does it not state that there are three essential parts of our Salvation?

I mean we have gone at it around and around with three steppers and one steppers & even one steppers concede that it is needed.

It is a straight case of "is it essential or not?"

If the answer is not, than a whole bunch of scriptures are not necessary & are irrelevant, not to mention the Apostles taught Water Baptism in Jesus name & the infilling of the Holy Ghost.

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

More screwy logic ... from the 3 step crowd.

1. Repentance is a result of a heart that has genuinely placed their faith in the salvation provided by Jesus Christ from death and our sins. Does it need

to be articulated in front of someone? No. Can their be tears and snot and not be genuine? Yes.

Hence, making the determination to repent after ... may not believing on Jesus Christ ... a believer would repent ... it's procrastination, my good friend

.... to shut up Dad ... or uncertainty in the message ... both are UNBELIEF ... and for this one is condemned.

Or maybe he did repent in his heart ... but understood that their would be a lifestyle change that would occur after stepping off that plane.

Repentance is not a one-stop shop at the altar... it is a heart that relies, surrenders, trusts, clings to Jesus Christ ... in faith and turns to Him in

action and deed.

Once again, another clear-cut example that my 3 step brethren don't know what faith means ... to them it's just mental assent.

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2. We are baptized because we are saved ... our regeneration, New Birth, according to the 1 stepper an the rest of Protest Orthodoxy, believes this happens at the point of faith and repent ...

For the baptismal regenerationist, one is forgiven at repentance but our sins are not remitted/washed/ wipe until the properly administered baptism ... this of course not found in the bible ... nor in the words of the Christ or the Apostles.

baptizer gets it right and helps in effectuating the application of the blood through his articulations.

God knows a humble and contrite ... heart he cannot reject or despise it .... therefore he knows in his Omniscience that a truly repentant life would or

would have not obeyed His Word though the love relationship He establishes in the heart of a believer.

1 Cor ... do you know what repentance really is ... and what it looks like ... since apparently you struggle with what faith is.

Are you God to know and peek into the hearts of men?

If so ... then your logic is sound.

And here you are Daniel with your usual. I am right and if you don't believe what I do you are wrong. Repentance is not a condition to salvation, I will when or if. That is wrong, no steps at all.

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by 1399

The "spirit" of this question is sickening. May God have mercy on all of us.

Yeah, just like all the other what if questions here lately. People just don't like it when the shoe is on the other foot.

[Ron]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I appreciate your words here Ron, but can you encapsulate where "the word says that there is one salvation plan to mankind that is Acts 2:38"?

I don't believe even Acts 2:38 says that.

And where does it say, "that if one doesn't obey Acts 2:38 they are lost"?

I appreciate your spirit and wisdom and I once whole-heartily tended to agreed with you on the "Acts 2:38 Message"®, but I've always been troubled by the exclusivity of this.

Was God being exclusive in Noah's day?
Was he exclusive when he "only" spoke to Abraham?
What about Moses, that was pretty exclusive in cutting out the Egyptians don't you think?

It isn't exclusive at all, when you think that the command is to whosoever will.
Every man, woman, & child has this promise to them.

Is God at fault if they choose otherwise?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Ron

How is it sloppy?

Is there not an Acts 2:38 message?
Does it not state that there are three essential parts of our Salvation?

I mean we have gone at it around and around with three steppers and one steppers & even one steppers concede that it is needed.

It is a straight case of "is it essential or not?"

If the answer is not, than a whole bunch of scriptures are not necessary & are irrelevant, not to mention the Apostles taught Water Baptism in Jesus name & the infilling of the Holy Ghost.

Bro...your post insinuated that we should preach that all who don't obey Acts 2:38 are lost. But then you left open a possibility that God might judge differently, that's what's sloppy. That's like committing to preach something that might not be true.