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[Ron]

Originally Posted by CC1

I challenge you to show me where someone here has had to wait like you have for surgery that is not elective.

Any medical procedure critical enough that it would keep a person from working would be done.

I was at the emergency room within the past month and was examined and had a cat scan BEFORE they even asked me if I had insurance.

When I was leaving and giving them my insurance info I read a placard that stated how they would not refuse care and the various methods for people without insurance to get their bills handled.

Our health system has many problems, mostly inflation many times the percentage of other items, but I absolutely would not trade it for second rate care where you can't even get neccessary surgery or in the case of some pregnant women who require special care you have to send them to a neighboring country for care.

Everybody is covered under your plan but the overall level of care is decreased also.

Add to that the less homogenous (read that minorities and poor people with poor health habits)population we have and the USA will be bankrupted if health care is socialized.

I disagree.
Look, I read about a lady that passed out in a wating room & died while security workers & personal walked by.

Is that the whole system in the States? No.

Is every system perfect? No.

A friend who I asked prayer for who had a viral infection of the Heart was seen and treated right away. Every procedure that was needed was done when his body could handle it.

When my BP was high I had a CT Scan Stat.
Thing is I'll say it again, when the US, England, Australia, & Middle Eastern countries regularly come around recruiting people, we may get one person from England and another goes to Australia.

There is a shortage.

A nurse can make 60-80 thousand a year here, she could make the same in Australia & live in a tropical paradise.

It is a competitive market & it is the same all over.
You may not have it there but it is all over.

[Ron]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Well, I'm happy for Canada.
But the difference in life expectancy between the US and Canada is about 3 years... not as big a difference as some people might think.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat.../2102rank.html

Canada doesn't have a higher life expectancy simply because they have a government controlled health system. And numbers don't always tell the whole story....

America has a significantly higher homicide rate, a higher suicide rate, and a higher rate of auto accidents than Canada does. Obviously these things factor into the overall life expectancy rate.

And Americans' lifestyle choices cause Americans to have a significantly higher rate of obesity than Canada. America's obesity problem is not because of a lack of a national heath care system.

Thus, the 3 year difference in life expectancy numbers has a lot of factors that contribute to it. When people claim that the difference is simply because of national health care, they either don't know the facts, or they're just being intentionally misleading.

I agree, that there are other factors, but you asked the question.

[Ron]

[QUOTE=CC1;523466]Ron,

To my point about how it is easier for Canada to provide health care to a homogenous populatoin that is relatively healthy Canada had, in 2004, only an estimated minority populaton of 4 million people out of 32 million total.

America has signficant Black and Hispanic populatons with poor eating habits that cause increased medical problems. I don't feel like paying for somebody elses bad haibts. They can get a job and inusurance just like I did.

By the way in looking for the Canadian demographic info I stumbled across some disturbing religous demographic info.

In 1991 1.6% of Canadians identified themselves as Pentecostal but 10 years later in 2001 only 1.2% did. Yikes! A 15.3% drop. Whats the scoop?[/QUOTE]

If America is backslidden, then Canada is reprobate!
We seriously need a move of God or we are sunk!!!

Yes, quote me on that.

[Ron]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Thank you. I have no need to bash any other countries, but I'll point this out...People still leave countries all over the world (including countries where they don't want to wait for their free government surgery) and come here to have medical procedures done in US hospitals.

Hey, I think you have top notch Medical care--if you are fortunate to afford it.

That is the only issue.

[Ron]

Originally Posted by CC1

Ron,

To my point about how it is easier for Canada to provide health care to a homogenous populatoin that is relatively healthy Canada had, in 2004, only an estimated minority populaton of 4 million people out of 32 million total.

America has signficant Black and Hispanic populatons with poor eating habits that cause increased medical problems. I don't feel like paying for somebody elses bad haibts. They can get a job and inusurance just like I did.

By the way in looking for the Canadian demographic info I stumbled across some disturbing religous demographic info.

In 1991 1.6% of Canadians identified themselves as Pentecostal but 10 years later in 2001 only 1.2% did. Yikes! A 15.3% drop. Whats the scoop?

I agree, in fact in Canada, everybody has to pay premiums for medical insurance.

[Ron]

Well, an update:

My WCB case worker talked to my boss and he is cool.
She still is perturbed that I am caught in no mans land.

My Lawyer is chasing after ICBC.