I want to be very careful what I say for some fear to tread when angels would not walk...however we are all just vessels for a power much greater than us.
LS has been a great blessing to many but so have many others. Many people that write on the forum are great blessings to people...look at MOW and his trips to China, Sherri and Eddy and their works in Africa and the Philippines...Keith and Jeanie and their blessings to India...Brother Light that writes on this forum has been a tremendous blessing to us in Brazil...Brother Epley stands as an Icon in the conservative world of Pentecost.
There are others...do we all see alike? No... We have hero’s in every camp...Sister Freeman and all she has done...People like the Wiggins (aimer´s) in Spain. Brother Conroy in Germany and the Stewart´s that have been in Africa…Look at Sandra…and her work…look at the Munsey´s (my friends)…
What a fruit salad we all make! Yet we have a common bond and that is taking Jesus to the world.
Sorting us all out is up to the Lord…I refuse to have any evil thoughts about anyone.
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Prax, I think that we have had enough conversations to develop mutual respect (I'll dig out some posts where you said so if you deny it ) I do think that there is a lot of room here for respectful discussion. I just didn't agree with the over-simplified way I was hearing the hair discussion approached. We certainly can't take any Scripture out of context and build something around it that isn't there...but at the same time we can't gloss over it and act like it doesn't exist or isn't significant enough in the grand scheme. I do appreciate the convo and hope noone leaves insulted or offended.
Nobody is glossing over this one verse. I never did. But some have misquoted this verse to read "she has power with angels" and it does not say that.
The verse is not about her having special powers
It's about what is the purpose of the hair...it is a covering and a sign...why? Because man was made first then woman
1Co 11:7 For a man indeed ought not to have his head covered, because he is the image and glory of God. But the woman is the glory of the man.
1Co 11:8 For the man is not of the woman, but the woman of the man.
1Co 11:9 Nor was the man created for the woman, but the woman for the man.
1Co 11:10 For this reason the woman ought to have authority on her head because of the angels.
notice how it says "for this reason"? there is a reason she is supposed to have this long hair...read what comes before it to find otu
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I, for one, have always appreciated your spirit, Tstew. It's a pleasure to dialogue with you..........
Thank you sir. I do enjoy the dialogue here with you and others. I just like to try to be balanced and over-simplifying and over-hyping do not lend to balanced discussions.
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I want to be very careful what I say for some fear to tread when angels would not walk...however we are all just vessels for a power much greater than us.
LS has been a great blessing to many but so have many others. Many people that write on the forum are great blessings to people...look at MOW and his trips to China, Sherri and Eddy and their works in Africa and the Philippines...Keith and Jeanie and their blessings to India...Brother Light that writes on this forum has been a tremendous blessing to us in Brazil...Brother Epley stands as an Icon in the conservative world of Pentecost.
There are others...do we all see alike? No... We have hero’s in every camp...Sister Freeman and all she has done...People like the Wiggins (aimer´s) in Spain. Brother Conroy in Germany and the Stewart´s that have been in Africa…Look at Sandra…and her work…look at the Munsey´s (my friends)…
What a fruit salad we all make! Yet we have a common bond and that is taking Jesus to the world.
Sorting us all out is up to the Lord…I refuse to have any evil thoughts about anyone.
Once again words of wisdom. I think we all need a pocket-sized Sister Alvear to keep us all right all day
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a. He proclaims this is a "glorious revelation" that he believes the Church needs to grab a hold of ...
b. a woman's compliance to the uncut hair doctrine give her power with and power because of angels allowing her to walk in a unique spiritual realm, not available to men, that gives her power and authority even to give a word of knowledge to her husband.
2. The Historical Significance of Hair ... he gives "facts" about the cutting hair is a new phenomena in human history ...
Even strongly implicated that this rebellion of the 1920's caused The Great Depression
3. The Spiritual Significance of Hair .... a phrase he uses in the sermon to segway. He proceeds to not quote any scripture but rather give occult subtantiation that uncut hair gives power with the angels ...
then remarks "What would happen if our women took off their pins and shook the hair in the wind" like witches WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IN THE CHURCH ...
He also tells the host pastor that if brother Black did not preach anything else (this revelation)... WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IN THE CHURCH.
4. Testimonies of Giving Glory to God and uncut hair - Miracles, God's favor and angelic protection are linked to woman complying to the uncut hair doctrine.
Prax, I'm just saying that it is not mutually exclusive. You can obey more than one command at a time without detracting from another. It is very possible for me to obey Acts and be saved and annointed, and still be obeying what I read in other passages of Scripture without it detracting from my faith and obedience.
I am saying all this from the perspective that we all agree women should have uncut hair. That is not the issue. Obedience is not the issue. The issue is a specific doctrine of a woman having special powers being made and circulated..and they even quote occult sources saying witches know about this thing and that is why they have uncut hair. The issue is not about obeying the word. It is a specific doctrine that says specifically there is power in uncut hair, even witches recognize this and they have power too, but from a different source...that is not about obedience. That is about something inate in the hair itself
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Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
because of the angels I have heard explained lots of ways...some say good angels others say bad angels...however the reading says Because of the angels.
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Nobody is glossing over this one verse. I never did. But some have misquoted this verse to read "she has power with angels" and it does not say that.
The verse is not about her having special powers
It's about what is the purpose of the hair...it is a covering and a sign...why? Because man was made first then woman
1Co 11:7 For a man indeed ought not to have his head covered, because he is the image and glory of God. But the woman is the glory of the man.
1Co 11:8 For the man is not of the woman, but the woman of the man.
1Co 11:9 Nor was the man created for the woman, but the woman for the man.
1Co 11:10 For this reason the woman ought to have authority on her head because of the angels.
notice how it says "for this reason"? there is a reason she is supposed to have this long hair...read what comes before it to find otu
But Prax, I have heard people act like teaching about women and hair is the biggest joke since......(insert big joke here). And I also was a bit concerned about the characterization that uncut hair was being taught as a substitute for prayer, respect for pastor, obedience to the other thousands of Scriptures, and as the only thing that mattered.
I just don't find that to be true.
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) I do think that there is a lot of room here for respectful discussion. I just didn't agree with the over-simplified way I was hearing the hair discussion approached. We certainly can't take any Scripture out of context and build something around it that isn't there...but at the same time we can't gloss over it and act like it doesn't exist or isn't significant enough in the grand scheme. I do appreciate the convo and hope noone leaves insulted or offended.
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