Apostolic Litumus Test: Do you affirm - Yes or no?

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Rico

I would hardly go so far as to claim you are a "PCIer." From everything I have heard of them, they preached Jesus name baptism as hard as anyone else. None of this "it's optional" nonsense that you believe.

They would be uncomfortable with the way Daniel presents their beliefs, no?

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Rico

I would hardly go so far as to claim you are a "PCIer." From everything I have heard of them, they preached Jesus name baptism as hard as anyone else. None of this "it's optional" nonsense that you believe.

More myths ... who said it was optional ... One million dollars if you can find such a post ...

I'll give you a hundred today.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

You obviously don't.

Note to reader: See poll results.

You got me.

I admit it.

I voted no. I voted so because I don't agree with the affirmation statement.

I voted that way because this is a watered down Charisfanatic doctrine.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

They would be uncomfortable with the way Daniel presents their beliefs, no?

I present it no different than any PCIer on this board .... w/ perhaps the exception of Felicity ... maybe ...

You however do not present the Gospel as most of our Oneness Pioneers did ... including Haywood, Goss, Urshan, Haney, Gurley, etc.

They did not see Trinitarians as lost ... the did not disfellowship the Body of Christ.

It is your neo-conservatism that has strayed from our OP roots.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

You got me.

I admit it.

I voted no. I voted so because I don't agree with the affirmation statement.

I voted that way because this is a watered down Charisfanatic doctrine.

Wrong question ... maybe we can start another poll ... try harder next time.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

More myths ... who said it was optional ... One million dollars if you can find such a post ...

I'll give you a hundred today.

What happens to those one-steppers who don't submit to baptism? Do you preach that they are in sin?

If not, its optional.

[chaotic_resolve]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

...this is a watered down Charisfanatic doctrine.

Those that believe that every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith
with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.

What's watered down about this? Just because it doesn't get into dress standards?

[Tim Rutledge]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Tim ... I am a PCIer ... a one stepper ... as were many old time Oneness Pentecostals and many of the forum members believe ...

just like the first UPCI General Supt. Howard Goss ... who believed we are saved and regenerated at the point of faith/repentance ... then we obey his command of baptism in His name and seek the empowerment of the baptism of the Holy Ghost.

We believe we are baptized because we are saved ... as a witness of the Gospel in our lives ... not to cause regeneration

So.. at the point of faith/repentance, you can go on to any doctrine?.. or is it essential for you to go on into the Apostles (Acts 2:38) doctrine to continue in salvation. Is not the blood applied at Repentance/Baptism in the name of Jesus?

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I present it no different than any PCIer on this board .... w/ perhaps the exception of Felicity ... maybe ...

You however do not present the Gospel as most of our Oneness Pioneers did ... including Haywood, Goss, Urshan, Haney, Gurley, etc.

They did not see Trinitarians as lost ... the did not disfellowship the Body of Christ.

It is your neo-conservatism that has strayed from our OP roots.

Umm, bubba, I think you need to get another Masters in history.

MOST of those men altered their beliefs to reflect the views espoused by the 100% United Pentecostal Church Incorporated.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

What's watered down about this? Just because it doesn't get into dress standards?

Here's a primer.

Go back and read all 7100 of my posts and you will see just how wrong you are about me.