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Old 06-09-2008, 09:06 AM
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Re: Was Abraham's Relationship W/Hagar Adulterous?

stupid, yes, adulterous no, no law at that time, not yet given, nevertheless out of the will of god, thus the problems that followed, and still do, dt
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Old 06-09-2008, 09:08 AM
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Re: Was Abraham's Relationship W/Hagar Adulterous?

I have only read the first few pages of this thead but it was amusing to see some try to apply our sensibilities to a different time and culture.

Having multiple wives and concubines was a matter of course in the Old Testament days and did not represent "sin". As others pointed out Jacob, Gideon, and other great men all had them.

To our Western, modern mindset it is inconceivable. Although it does sound like it could be fun it also sounds very expensive and nerve wracking! Just look at the cat fighting between Sarah and Hagar!!!
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Old 06-09-2008, 09:48 AM
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I have only read the first few pages of this thead but it was amusing to see some try to apply our sensibilities to a different time and culture.

Having multiple wives and concubines was a matter of course in the Old Testament days and did not represent "sin". As others pointed out Jacob, Gideon, and other great men all had them.

To our Western, modern mindset it is inconceivable. Although it does sound like it could be fun it also sounds very expensive and nerve wracking! Just look at the cat fighting between Sarah and Hagar!!!
no doubt, true, brother, the cat fighting would be a disaster, i want peace, dt
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Re: Was Abraham's Relationship W/Hagar Adulterous?

Very interesting.........
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Old 06-09-2008, 09:59 AM
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Re: Was Abraham's Relationship W/Hagar Adulterous?

Bro. Rico,
Just felt to add this to my previous post.

The law was good for without the law we would not know sin.
The law was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ.

We go to school to learn as children. After 12 yrs. at school I
graduated. (50 yrs.ago last year 2007). (After I married, I still
looked to my parents for support (not to lay down the law, but
for wise counsel. My father was also our pastor until I was 50
yrs. old. He passed on one month after my 50th birthday.)

I went to work and later married, had children, etc. etc.
I never returned to school to expect my teachers, etc. to
always have to tell me what to do in life.
My parents taught me
before and during my school yrs. the word of God. Godly principles
both taught by teaching from the Word of God and by example.
I learned much by the way they lived. I didn't live like my school
teachers. I learned that from my parents.
They laid down the law
from time to time. I perferred not to have the law laid down to me
but I can assure you, it helped bring me to Christ! I do not need
the law now as it was only for when I was a "child".
Paul said
when he was a child, he thought, spoke, and I'm sure acted like a
child, but when he became a man (fully mature), he put away
childish things. We need to do the same. There is nothing quite like
having a "grown child" in the home when he should be out working,
taking responsibility as an adult. LOL!

I repeated this
with our children and they also learned from teaching and example.
Today I do not have to lay down the law as they learned it well.
They are now teaching and by example to their children.
They are
learning well and just as their great grandparents, grandparents and
parents, they are coming to Christ. See the pattern!! By example of
each generation doing their part, looking to God and His Word.
Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, one generation following the next.
Young Timothy had the law laid down by his mother, Eunice and
mother, Lois. His father was not a believer. But God provided a
father figure to bring him to Christ.
Paul "fathered or mentored"
young Timothy in the gospel. He taught him as a father in the
gospel.

The New Testament or Covenant brought in better things so
we are without excuse, once we have been introduced to the
gospel of Jesus Christ, the Seed that would bless all nations or
peoples of the world, once they hear it. If they will hear it.

Thank God we can be saved from the law of sin and death. We
need not be cursed children. The blessings of the children lie in
the obedience of those who preceded them. We children were so
blessed to have grandparents, parents who obeyed the gospel
before us. They were our school teachers who brought us to
Christ.

Again, the law and the prophets were until John, but grace and
truth came by Jesus Christ.

The law was given for transgression (sin) until the Seed (Jesus
Christ could come. He came that we might have life and that more
abundantly. We are without excuse if we reject His Provision. So
great salvation. Bless you and your sweet family, Bro. Rico.

Blessings,

Falla39
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Old 06-09-2008, 10:14 AM
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Re: Was Abraham's Relationship W/Hagar Adulterous?

Funny how the list of sins has changed over the years. Some things fell off (shellfish, Sabbath), some things added (adultery, hair-cutting). Can we make changes now, with a majority vote, or something?
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Old 06-09-2008, 10:33 AM
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Re: Was Abraham's Relationship W/Hagar Adulterous?

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Bro. Rico,
Just felt to add this to my previous post.

The law was good for without the law we would not know sin.
The law was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ.

We go to school to learn as children. After 12 yrs. at school I
graduated. (50 yrs.ago last year 2007). (After I married, I still
looked to my parents for support (not to lay down the law, but
for wise counsel. My father was also our pastor until I was 50
yrs. old. He passed on one month after my 50th birthday.)

I went to work and later married, had children, etc. etc.
I never returned to school to expect my teachers, etc. to
always have to tell me what to do in life.
My parents taught me
before and during my school yrs. the word of God. Godly principles
both taught by teaching from the Word of God and by example.
I learned much by the way they lived. I didn't live like my school
teachers. I learned that from my parents.
They laid down the law
from time to time. I perferred not to have the law laid down to me
but I can assure you, it helped bring me to Christ! I do not need
the law now as it was only for when I was a "child".
Paul said
when he was a child, he thought, spoke, and I'm sure acted like a
child, but when he became a man (fully mature), he put away
childish things. We need to do the same. There is nothing quite like
having a "grown child" in the home when he should be out working,
taking responsibility as an adult. LOL!

I repeated this
with our children and they also learned from teaching and example.
Today I do not have to lay down the law as they learned it well.
They are now teaching and by example to their children.
They are
learning well and just as their great grandparents, grandparents and
parents, they are coming to Christ. See the pattern!! By example of
each generation doing their part, looking to God and His Word.
Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, one generation following the next.
Young Timothy had the law laid down by his mother, Eunice and
mother, Lois. His father was not a believer. But God provided a
father figure to bring him to Christ.
Paul "fathered or mentored"
young Timothy in the gospel. He taught him as a father in the
gospel.

The New Testament or Covenant brought in better things so
we are without excuse, once we have been introduced to the
gospel of Jesus Christ, the Seed that would bless all nations or
peoples of the world, once they hear it. If they will hear it.

Thank God we can be saved from the law of sin and death. We
need not be cursed children. The blessings of the children lie in
the obedience of those who preceded them. We children were so
blessed to have grandparents, parents who obeyed the gospel
before us. They were our school teachers who brought us to
Christ.

Again, the law and the prophets were until John, but grace and
truth came by Jesus Christ.

The law was given for transgression (sin) until the Seed (Jesus
Christ could come. He came that we might have life and that more
abundantly. We are without excuse if we reject His Provision. So
great salvation. Bless you and your sweet family, Bro. Rico.

Blessings,

Falla39
I'm with you on all that 100%. I just wanted to make sure people understood that sin is sin in the eyes of God, even before He gave them the Law.
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Old 06-09-2008, 10:37 AM
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Funny how the list of sins has changed over the years. Some things fell off (shellfish, Sabbath), some things added (adultery, hair-cutting). Can we make changes now, with a majority vote, or something?
Adultery has always been wrong in the eyes of God Timmy.
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Old 06-09-2008, 10:38 AM
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Ok. I guess I will ask you the question: Was it murder when Cain killed Abel? Why won't anyone answer this question. It's a simple yes or no answer.
Yes.
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Old 06-09-2008, 10:46 AM
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Adultery has always been wrong in the eyes of God Timmy.
Perhaps true. But, as someone already said, it wasn't officially in the law, at first. Was eating shellfish also an abomination from the beginning?
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