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Old 03-17-2007, 07:54 PM
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Obedience does too, as the man that dipped in the muddy water. However, the man didn't go around preaching to be healed you had to dip in the river.
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Obedience does too, as the man that dipped in the muddy water. However, the man didn't go around preaching to be healed you had to dip in the river.
This is really a good point. I can't wait to use it.
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Well, frankly I am a lititle surprised that we don't know Rachel's last name and haven't read about it elsewhere. Makes you wonder about this anonymous couple attending one of the largest churches... Pentecostal Urban Legend?
Well, we've heard other similar stories though about women doing this type of thing. I've heard of women spreading their hair over their children and praying for them, taking their hair down at the altar feeling it will give them greater leverage in their worship or intercession.
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Old 03-17-2007, 08:06 PM
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I think it's important too to make the point that nobody here has a problem with women leaving their hair long and uncut if they feel this is what Scripture demands from them or if they are submitting to a spiritual leader who is demanding this of them.

I appreciate an attitude of submission and yieldedness and God does too. Obedience isn't an option. We all know this.

We just need to keep the emphasis where it belongs. Otherwise you get sidetracked into error.
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Well, frankly I am a lititle surprised that we don't know Rachel's last name and haven't read about it elsewhere. Makes you wonder about this anonymous couple attending one of the largest churches... Pentecostal Urban Legend?

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Well, frankly I am a lititle surprised that we don't know Rachel's last name and haven't read about it elsewhere. Makes you wonder about this anonymous couple attending one of the largest churches... Pentecostal Urban Legend?
If I remember, I'll ask around tomorrow and see what I can find out about this.
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Obedience does too, as the man that dipped in the muddy water. However, the man didn't go around preaching to be healed you had to dip in the river.
I agree, but it was his faith that healed him. Faith without works is dead, so yes, without obedience, he wouldn't have been healed. I know you believe this also. Thanks for the clarification though.

And if all I had to do was dip in water to be healed, I'd look like a prune from the constant dipping if I had to!
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Well, we've heard other similar stories though about women doing this type of thing. I've heard of women spreading their hair over their children and praying for them, taking their hair down at the altar feeling it will give them greater leverage in their worship or intercession.
I visited a church a couple years ago and there was a woman there who's son was in a bad car accident and wasn't expected to live. She went to the ER and laid her hair on him and he was healed instantly.

However, it wasn't her hair that healed him, but her faith. Men without long hair pray for people all the time and they are healed as well. Women with cut hair pray for people all the time and they are healed also.

Works doesn't save us, nor does it heal us, yet some people will remind God about how they've done this or that and they are owed something or that God should honor their sacrifice or whatever. I don't see that as Biblical.
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Obedience to a teaching/command that in my understanding of scripture doesn't exist.
Obedience to what?

Obedience is plainly spelt out in Scripture.
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Obedience to what?

Obedience is plainly spelt out in Scripture.
Now Ron.........you know full well that even amongst conservative Oneness Pentecostals there is debate over Paul's teaching. We have evidence of that right here in this area with some pastors demanding uncut hair, some demanding hats, and others allowing for trimming.

There is no consensus on the "hair" chapter.
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