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Old 04-15-2008, 12:36 PM
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Re: Another reason NOT to vote for Obama

Can we get John Howard to run for President in America too? he can run both countries.
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does he have u. s. political aspirations, get my vote, lol, go john howard, lol,dt
LOL! we posted at the same time!
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Old 04-15-2008, 12:38 PM
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does he have u. s. political aspirations, get my vote, lol, go john howard, lol,dt
I only wish we could find someone like this, 300,000,000 of us walking around scared because we might offend someone.
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good ideas, good brothers, good company, go boy, lol,dt
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Can we get John Howard to run for President in America too? he can run both countries.
Yeah, I know right?
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Old 04-15-2008, 01:28 PM
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obama, oschmama aint gettin my vote no matter what ted kennedy says, lol,dt
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This is what Obama should say if he ever becomes Pres:
America needs a President like this Prime Minister John Howard - Australia Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia , as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks. Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques. Quote: 'IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians'. 'This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom'. 'We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, Learn the language!' 'Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian,right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.' 'We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.' 'This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.' 'If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.' Maybe if we circulate this amongst ourselves, American citizens will find the backbone to start speaking and voicing the same truths.

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Old 04-15-2008, 05:30 PM
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Do you believe a sick person has an undeniable human right to treatment?

ally…when the government removes trade barriers that made it more cost effective to keep jobs here than move overseas it is the government’s fault. When the government offers tax breaks to companies that move jobs overseas it is the government’s fault. When the government allows corporations to move production to nations like China that undermine the value of our dollar and constantly undermines trade law it’s the government’s fault. When the government issues more work visas to foreign contractors than are necessary according to Department of Labor standards it is the government’s fault. I feel you’re terribly ignorant of the details.



The HSA is a scheme drafted between the banks and the health care industry. The fees are hilarious. I had actual HEALTH INSURANCE and I never had to fear being unable to see a doctor or take my son to the doctor. I have a good friend of mine who was on an HSA. His daughter got sick and was running a fever. They didn’t have much left in the HSA and had yet to meet their deductible so they didn’t want to waste the money on something unimportant and then have the baby get real sick later. So they called the nurse line. They got advice that it would be ok to keep the girl home and treat with children’s Tylenol, though taking her in would be best. The nurses line said if her fever lasted more than two days they should definitely bring her in. So they treated the little girl at home and everything seemed fine. Well, after the little girl got older and was enrolled in school she tested with hearing damage. They took her to be evaluated and the doctor states that she had hearing damage from a previously untreated ear infection. The doctor stated that the scar tissue looked like it may had been when she was a toddler, and that was about the time they didn’t take her in when she had the fever. My friend is convinced that if he had taken his daughter in to see the doctor when she was sick they would have spotted the ear infection and been able to treat it and prevent any hearing damage. You see…when you force people to budget their medical expenses you have to remember that they are not medical professionals and that they are going to make judgments based on what they “think” in order to save money for more “serious” health issues. If they had REAL insurance, it wouldn’t have been an issue.

I know a couple at church that has an HSA. They are responsible for the first $4000 dollars of their health care costs. Since they have no serious health issues other than some prescription medications the vast majority of their health care costs are on them. He told me, “Chris, we might as well not have health insurance.” You see…he had health insurance at one time. You can’t fool people who KNOW what it was like to have REAL health insurance.



Yep…I’m a government employee on a government funded plan. While I have an HSA I’m more blessed than most…the government front loads my HSA deductible with $3000 each year! We’ve barely used it this year and next year we’ll get another $3000. That will completely cover my deductible leaving us $2000 to play with. We were thinking about taking out a little money out of the HSA for Christmas. LOL



I go to Canada every year. We have family in Ontario and the family cottage is on Charleston Lake in Outlet. No one I know personally has had any problems with the Canadian system. However, I have heard some of the stories about folks who fell through the cracks. I believe the number of Canadians seeking health care in the US for elective or uncovered procedures was fewer than 3,000. I hear about these folks like it’s a MAJOR tragedy. If that’s a major tragedy, certainly the 50 MILLION Americans who don’t have any insurance, the 140 MILLION who are underinsured, and the 18 THOUSAND Americans who die every year from treatable conditions because they can’t get coverage for treatments should be a MAJOR concern for us. What makes the nearly 3,000 Canadians more valuable than 190,018,000 American’s who can’t get or don’t have adequate coverage? Dude…we care so much for the unborn…but once they’re born we don’t care one bit if their family doesn’t have adequate health insurance. I don’t get that. A consistent life ethic would demand the highest ethical value of human life from womb to tomb.

I was looking at Canadian business websites a while back and there were articles about business in Canada. According to this Canadian article, Canadian businesses pay less in negotiated premiums and taxation to sustain health care than American businesses do with ever rising negotiated and unsubsidized premiums. It’s kind of like a home budget. The health insurance I had would have cost me nearly $400 a month on the private market. But if I were in Canada my negotiated premium might be about $80 or $90 and the extra taxes paid might be around an extra $100 or $110. When it all comes down to it I would be paying only $190 or $200 a month in Canada for insurance that costs me $400 a month here. When businesses get to the bottom line they save money by allowing the government to contribute to health insurance because the government negotiates lower premiums and regional group rates. The article I read was talking about how Canadian businesses are bracing themselves for the boom in American business if the United States takes up universal health insurance. Once business is unshackled with carrying the bulk of health insurance coverage they will experience far more market flexibility and so will employees.

If you lived and owned a business in Canada, maybe you can offer me your perspective.

But for the record, I don't think America will ever have a system like Canada's. I believe that as more and more Americans find that they can't afford health insurance we will adopt a universal health insurance program similar to that found in France or Germany.
You sound like you would be more comfortable in a socialist country where they take half of your income and in return give you everything you need.The goverments job is to protect us and to give us freedom to make choices.I don't want the goverment involved in every part of my life
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Old 04-16-2008, 02:13 PM
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Re: Another reason NOT to vote for Obama

"And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

Love this by Kathleen Parker:

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Old 04-16-2008, 02:29 PM
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Re: Another reason NOT to vote for Obama

Maybe this should be on another thread, but it anyone besides me appalled at the actions of Jimmy Carter and his trip to the ME?
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