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Old 03-31-2008, 01:07 PM
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Re: Baptizing Minors...

Thank You Dan. I'l take a gander at the when I get home, its blocked from here.
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Old 03-31-2008, 03:23 PM
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Something to suggest, though I know alot of pastors and ministers will show teeth and growl because of this since they are not the ones who would end up dunking the kid.....if the church teaches that baptism is so important, and the parents/guardians of the child refuse to allow the child to be baptized, then why not allow the child to do a self baptism, say when they take a bath or go swimming. only takes a min or two...and baptism is done...
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Old 03-31-2008, 04:38 PM
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Re: Baptizing Minors...

My sister had to wait a year before getting baptised in JESUS' name, because my parents didn't want her to be like me and get baptized many times and be confused (I had been baptised in the AG church the year before I was baptised in JESUS' name, without my parent's knowledge). My sister and I had a bit of nervousness over the state of her soul, but we were assured that the LORD could keep her alive until she had the oppurtunity to be baptized. Sure enough, she lived another year (lol), got baptized and is living holy today!

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Old 03-31-2008, 05:24 PM
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Re: Baptizing Minors...

I don't think anyone should get baptized until they really understand what it means and why they need to have it done. If a nine year old "gets it" and wants to be baptized then go for it. If a 30 year old doesn't "get it" then he/she needs to wait until the understanding comes.
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Old 03-31-2008, 07:04 PM
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Re: Baptizing Minors...

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I wonder what our other resident counselors, James Griffin and Newman, think of this matter.
Hey Dan,

Just saw this thread, interesting topic.

Does seem to present a God's law vs Man's law quandary. IF a pastor truly believes sins can ONLY be remitted by water baptism, and the only thing between that 17 year old's soul being in a state readiness for heaven or hell is a non-believing parent's permission what is their moral obligation??

As to legal liability two quick thoughts. If you baptize without permission and anything happens (physically) as a result God help you.

If the only issue is parent's rights--- The Christian Law Association states emphatically don't do it without parent's written permission. I actually sent them an email just now requesting their legal theory. I can imagine a few scenarios where the right facts and the right court could render against a church, HOWEVER as has been pointed out even unsuccessful lawsuits can be costly.

On the other hand if (or perhaps when) going to church becomes illegal which law will you follow?
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Sidebar(RE 666):

The interpretation of the law, be it man's or God's law, can be effected by any preconcieved mysticism of the councilors and the Judge!
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Re: Baptizing Minors...

Also as a siderbar-

In some locations its perfectly legal to perform an abortion on a minor without the parents knowledge or consent, how messed up is that????
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Sidebar(RE 666):

The interpretation of the law, be it man's or God's law, can be effected by any preconcieved mysticism of the councilors and the Judge!
preconceived mysticism of counselor??
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preconceived mysticism of counselor??
Yes I did mean counselor... or councilor. I saw your original Post was 666 and you hurried to change it!
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James is definitely into numerology. He's called me for lotto picks.
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