Grace Church Of Humble...

[Steve Epley]

They are NOT Apostolic.

[deltaguitar]

Originally Posted by Kim Komando

Well, let me help you.

This church has deep roots in Pentecost. It was initially started by Frank Jones who once sat on the Texas board. It is now pastored by his two sons, Brett and Scott. They were UPCI ministers also.

They pulled out of the UPC in 1998. They hold a PCI position, GP.

Today it is a growing, thriving and vibrant church that averages over 3400 people and has 4 services beginning on Saturday night and 3 services on Sunday.

Many on the ministers on staff also have deep ties to the UPC. One pastor is the son of Charles Colgrove, of Grand Rapids, MI, who was the only pastor from MI to pull out because of the Affirmation Statement in 1992. Chuck Jr. is married to Urshanna, grand daughter of Nathaniel Urshan.

Chuck's dad is retired and now also attending this church.

Worship is led by Hector Soto who has apostolic roots in E. Texas, I believe, and attended JCM. Scott and his wife, Melanie, also attended JCM.

Recently a couple of former UPC ministers have left the Michigan area to help as staff pastors - Roland Baker, and now the former youth president of the Michigan district, Robby Emery.

One more popular former UPCI minister of repute should be joining the Grace staff in the very near future.

GP, The baptism of the Holy Ghost is taught as a real salvational experience that is for empowerment of a repentant, born-again (regenerate) believer. This has been the mainstream Pentecostal view since Asuza.

Also, Houghton, has strong ties with this church and will be holding his Deeper conference there as he has done for the last several years.

Finally, Scott Jones now heads Global Network of Christian Ministries (global-ministries.com) an organization that fellowships both Oneness and Trinitarian ministers. It was started in the 1980's I believe by former UPC minister L.H. Hardwick. Scott assumed the reins as chairman when Jack Dehart, former UPC board member, fell ill with cancer. Many former UPCI ministers in 1992 and there after have flocked to Global.

Promiseland in Austin, by the way, GP is still very much a 3 step Water and Spirit church under Pastor Kenneth Phillips. I recommend you visit the Promiseland website and read their materials.

Sounds like a great church. How traditional is Grace Humble? Do they still try to get people to receive the Baptism of the Holy Ghost with tongues by laying on of hands at the altar like many Pentecostal churches or do they just encourage believers to seek after the gifts.?

[GrowingPains]

Originally Posted by Monkeyman

I ain't sayin nuthin'! That's all I'm sayin'

A Butcher, a BAKER, a candlestick maker

[GrowingPains]

Originally Posted by Kim Komando

Well, let me help you.

This church has deep roots in Pentecost. It was initially started by Frank Jones who once sat on the Texas board. It is now pastored by his two sons, Brett and Scott. They were UPCI ministers also.

They pulled out of the UPC in 1998. They hold a PCI position, GP.

Today it is a growing, thriving and vibrant church that averages over 3400 people and has 4 services beginning on Saturday night and 3 services on Sunday.

Many on the ministers on staff also have deep ties to the UPC. One pastor is the son of Charles Colgrove, of Grand Rapids, MI, who was the only pastor from MI to pull out because of the Affirmation Statement in 1992. Chuck Jr. is married to Urshanna, grand daughter of Nathaniel Urshan.

Chuck's dad is retired and now also attending this church.

Worship is led by Hector Soto who has apostolic roots in E. Texas, I believe, and attended JCM. Scott and his wife, Melanie, also attended JCM.

Recently a couple of former UPC ministers have left the Michigan area to help as staff pastors - Roland Baker, and now the former youth president of the Michigan district, Robby Emery.

One more popular former UPCI minister of repute should be joining the Grace staff in the very near future.

GP, The baptism of the Holy Ghost is taught as a real salvational experience that is for empowerment of a repentant, born-again (regenerate) believer. This has been the mainstream Pentecostal view since Asuza.

Also, Houghton, has strong ties with this church and will be holding his Deeper conference there as he has done for the last several years.

Finally, Scott Jones now heads Global Network of Christian Ministries (global-ministries.com) an organization that fellowships both Oneness and Trinitarian ministers. It was started in the 1980's I believe by former UPC minister L.H. Hardwick. Scott assumed the reins as chairman when Jack Dehart, former UPC board member, fell ill with cancer. Many former UPCI ministers in 1992 and there after have flocked to Global.

Promiseland in Austin, by the way, GP is still very much a 3 step Water and Spirit church under Pastor Kenneth Phillips. I recommend you visit the Promiseland website and read their materials.

Thanks for this information! That was very interesting and informative. I've looked at PL in Austin and I wasn't aware they are 3-step. I just wanted the info, so not to argue, but you said the the HG is taught (at Humble) as a "real salvational" experience. Salvational, but yet not a requirement for salvation? Do they teach people receive the Holy Ghost by evidence of tongues, or immediately after baptism?

[Kim Komando]

Originally Posted by GrowingPains

Thanks for this information! That was very interesting and informative. I've looked at PL in Austin and I wasn't aware they are 3-step. I just wanted the info, so not to argue, but you said the the HG is taught (at Humble) as a "real salvational" experience. Salvational, but yet not a requirement for salvation? Do they teach people receive the Holy Ghost by evidence of tongues, or immediately after baptism?

You can access Promise Lands' guide for believers called the Enquirer's Handbook here:

http://www.promiselandchurch.net/content/view/146/152/

Also the PL church offers an outreach site that speaks of the 3 step Water and Spirit experience here: http://theexperience238.com/

As for Grace, I believe most there, at least the pastors, adhere to the mainstream Pentecostal doctrine of subsequence that teaches that the baptism of the Holy Ghost is subsequent to being born of the Spirit (from above) through faith/repentance (conversion), or what is termed as regeneration. It is a gift of the Holy Ghost for empowerment and edification accompanied by tongues for the believer because of salvation (Acts 1:8, 1 Corinthians 14:4). Hence, the term "real salvational" was used in my original statement. This was the soteriological and pneumatological position of turn of the century Apostolic Pentecostals also like Goss, Gurley, Yadon and others.

As for those that teach we are filled with the Holy Ghost after water baptism you might have to look at other non-Pentecostal groups.

[GrowingPains]

Originally Posted by Kim Komando

You can access Promise Lands' guide for believers called the Enquirer's Handbook here:

http://www.promiselandchurch.net/content/view/146/152/

Also the PL church offers an outreach site that speaks of the 3 step Water and Spirit experience here: http://theexperience238.com/

As for Grace, I believe most there, at least the pastors, adhere to the mainstream Pentecostal doctrine of subsequence that teaches that the baptism of the Holy Ghost is subsequent to being born of the Spirit (from above) through faith/repentance (conversion), or what is termed as regeneration. It is a gift of the Holy Ghost for empowerment and edification accompanied by tongues for the believer because of salvation (Acts 1:8, 1 Corinthians 14:4). Hence, the term "real salvational" was used in my original statement. This was the soteriological and pneumatological position of turn of the century Apostolic Pentecostals also like Goss, Gurley, Yadon and others.

As for those that teach we are filled with the Holy Ghost after water baptism you might have to look at other non-Pentecostal groups.

Excellent! Thanks for the PL information.

So being "born of the Spirit" is not about the Spirit? Or is not about the baptism of the Holy Spirit? Do these churches find it permissible for saints that have not received the baptism of the HG to participate in ministry, or is the HG viewed (like Sherri's church) as the gift of empowerment for ministry, and a prerequisite to minister? I would love to hear a good discussion on these issues that is clear, concise and doesn't go to 200 pages long.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by GrowingPains

Excellent! Thanks for the PL information.

So being "born of the Spirit" is not about the Spirit? Or is not about the baptism of the Holy Spirit? Do these churches find it permissible for saints that have not received the baptism of the HG to participate in ministry, or is the HG viewed (like Sherri's church) as the gift of empowerment for ministry, and a prerequisite to minister? I would love to hear a good discussion on these issues that is clear, concise and doesn't go to 200 pages long.

Here is a link to the website of another former UPC church that holds the so called "PCI" position regarding salvation. CC left the UPC I believe in the 1980's.You can explore the site and find docrtinal statements of what Christ Church believes;

www.christchurchnashville.org

[GrowingPains]

Originally Posted by CC1

Here is a link to the website of another former UPC church that holds the so called "PCI" position regarding salvation. CC left the UPC I believe in the 1980's.You can explore the site and find docrtinal statements of what Christ Church believes;

www.christchurchnashville.org

LOVE their music!

What's this all about? Pastor Dan Scott has his ordination with the Anglican Mission in America

Is he related to the Scott's in Humble?

[papapraiz]

One more popular former UPCI minister of repute should be joining the Grace staff in the very near future.

Would that former minister be J.F. from West Monroe?

[GrowingPains]

Originally Posted by papapraiz

One more popular former UPCI minister of repute should be joining the Grace staff in the very near future.

Would that former minister be J.F. from West Monroe?

Isn't that TFT's home city? Who is JF?