WWPF to allow women preachers

[chseeads]

Originally Posted by Aquila

There is a big difference between women preachers and women pastors. Women most certainly are allowed to preach and prophesy. However the role of "bishop" or pastor is restricted to men. How can a woman meet the requirement of being the "husband of one wife"?

The same way that women can be the "sons of God" that He makes us. The regulations were not written in a politically correct time where everybody was worried about offending everybody and had to pussyfoot around in their wording.

So what's good for the gander there is good for the goose.

[Timmy]

A male pastor can allow a woman to preach and teach.

Just curious, how do you deal with 1 Tim 2:12? "But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence."

Was it just Paul's personal opinion, and not really God's word on the matter? Or, if it was God's word, did it apply only to the early church, as a cultural thing? How can we determine what is cultural and what it eternal, in the Bible?

If the teaching prohibition is no longer valid, what about the usurping authority part? Maybe that's cultural, too.

Psalm 19:7 "The law of the LORD is perfect, . . . "

1 Pet 1:25 "But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. . . ."

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Timmy

Just curious, how do you deal with 1 Tim 2:12? "But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence."

Was it just Paul's personal opinion, and not really God's word on the matter? Or, if it was God's word, did it apply only to the early church, as a cultural thing? How can we determine what is cultural and what it eternal, in the Bible?

If the teaching prohibition is no longer valid, what about the usurping authority part? Maybe that's cultural, too.

Psalm 19:7 "The law of the LORD is perfect, . . . "

1 Pet 1:25 "But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. . . ."

Take a closer look at it. Paul wrote:

But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. (I Timothy 2:12)

The issue is authority. First, Paul is speaking in regards to women in general. Paul mentiones prophetesses in other passages. Second, if a woman is called of God and her pastor gives her charge to preach, she's challenging the authority of her male pastor if she refuses to obey the call her pastor affirms.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Take a closer look at it. Paul wrote:

But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. (I Timothy 2:12)

The issue is authority. First, Paul is speaking in regards to women in general. Paul mentiones prophetesses in other passages. Second, if a woman is called of God and her pastor gives her charge to preach, she's challenging the authority of her male pastor if she refuses to obey the call her pastor affirms.

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

"Put dem wemmin back in dat dere ketchin?"

[Aquila]

Consider the following verses:

Acts 2:17
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

Acts 21:8-10
8And the next day we that were of Paul's company departed, and came unto Caesarea: and we entered into the house of Philip the evangelist, which was one of the seven; and abode with him. 9And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy. 10And as we tarried there many days, there came down from Judaea a certain prophet, named Agabus.

Acts 18:26
And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.

1 Corinthians 16:19
The churches of Asia salute you. Aquila and Priscilla salute you much in the Lord, with the church that is in their house.

We see by this that women indeed can “prophesy”, teach, and assist with administration of the church. They key is primarily being under the authority of a male bishop or her husband. A woman must simply serve under the authority of a male so as to not upset God’s order.

It’s important to realize that Paul was often addressing “issues” of interruption and speaking or using one’s spiritual gifts improperly. Women are admonished not to interrupt teaching in the church but rather if they have questions they are to ask their husbands at home. First, this prevents the teacher from being interrupted. Second, this saves the fragile egos of the men involved from having to “defend” a position questioned by a woman. Thirdly, this instills respect in the church for the preacher. Fourthly, it establishes the husband as the spiritual head and teacher of the home.

Paul isn’t forbidding women from using their spiritual gifts. Paul is simply putting things in order. The only restriction I can see is that a woman cannot serve as a “bishop” (pastor). Woman can even serve as deacons (servants and staff):

Romans 16:1
I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:

The word “servant” translates “deaconess.”

[Sister Alvear]

Many of our opinions are formed by our upbring and the church order as we know it now.

[Sister Alvear]

Church buildings were built only a couple hundred years after the death of the disciples...that is a more or less figure.

[Sister Alvear]

I really don't have time to discuss women in ministry but one thing I always tell my boys, time will reveal how God really thought about women in ministry.

Some of my boys get the wrong spirit about this topic and certain pastors so we seldom discuss it at home.

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

I really don't have time to discuss women in ministry but one thing I always tell my boys, time will reveal how God really thought about women in ministry.

Some of my boys get the wrong spirit about this topic and certain pastors so we seldom discuss it at home.

Did Paul have a wrong spirit?