What does having the Holy Spirit mean?

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Barb

I'm sorry...

Why? I don't mind if you don't agree with me. It's perfectly fine with me.

[Barb]

Originally Posted by Felicity

Why? I don't mind if you don't agree with me. It's perfectly fine with me.

LOL!! You know my view on this...guess I'm just not articulating very well. I was just making a point of agreeing that there are different operations.

My mind is elsewhere I guess...

[Felicity]

*written to nobody specifically*


I've heard people say so many times ..........


"They may not be apostolic and they may not have ever spoken in tongues but they've got something. There's no doubt about that. The anointing is all over them and the glow of the Holy Ghost is on their face. They certainly ministered to me. The presence of the Lord was so rich!"


Well.........just what is it that they have? What is that something?

[Barb]

Originally Posted by Felicity

*written to nobody specifically*


I've heard people say so many times ..........


"They may not be apostolic and they may not have ever spoken in tongues but they've got something. There's no doubt about that. The anointing is all over them and the glow of the Holy Ghost is on their face. They certainly ministered to me. The presence of the Lord was so rich!"


Well.........just what is it that they have? What is that something?

I have said this myself recently...I don't know. I wish I could explain it as easily as you can, sis...I really do!!

[Sherri]

I know people who do not have the truth of Jesus name baptism, or even speaking in tongues, but the Spirit of God has spoken things to them and they are following His voice. I believe that the Spirit of God dwells in every believer. I think there is a difference in the Spirit of God dwelling in you and the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, which is accompanied by tongues. It's an enduement of power that comes on a believer after they have repented, sometimes quickly, sometimes years later.

No one can convince me that I didn't have the Lord in my life all those years between when I was baptized in water and when I spoke in tongues.

[Barb]

Originally Posted by Felicity

*written to nobody specifically*


I've heard people say so many times ..........


"They may not be apostolic and they may not have ever spoken in tongues but they've got something. There's no doubt about that. The anointing is all over them and the glow of the Holy Ghost is on their face. They certainly ministered to me. The presence of the Lord was so rich!"


Well.........just what is it that they have? What is that something?

Originally Posted by Sherri

I know people who do not have the truth of Jesus name baptism, or even speaking in tongues, but the Spirit of God has spoken things to them and they are following His voice. I believe that the Spirit of God dwells in every believer. I think there is a difference in the Spirit of God dwelling in you and the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, which is accompanied by tongues. It's an enduement of power that comes on a believer after they have repented, sometimes quickly, sometimes years later.

No one can convince me that I didn't have the Lord in my life all those years between when I was baptized in water and when I spoke in tongues.

What is WRONG with me that you and Felicity are tearing me up tonight?! Whew...

[Barb]

Originally Posted by Sherri

I know people who do not have the truth of Jesus name baptism, or even speaking in tongues, but the Spirit of God has spoken things to them and they are following His voice. I believe that the Spirit of God dwells in every believer. I think there is a difference in the Spirit of God dwelling in you and the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, which is accompanied by tongues. It's an enduement of power that comes on a believer after they have repented, sometimes quickly, sometimes years later.

No one can convince me that I didn't have the Lord in my life all those years between when I was baptized in water and when I spoke in tongues.

And I wouldn't try...

[OGIA]

Originally Posted by Felicity

*written to nobody specifically*


I've heard people say so many times ..........


"They may not be apostolic and they may not have ever spoken in tongues but they've got something. There's no doubt about that. The anointing is all over them and the glow of the Holy Ghost is on their face. They certainly ministered to me. The presence of the Lord was so rich!"


Well.........just what is it that they have? What is that something?

I know people like this, too. They have what Abraham, Moses, David, etc had -- they have the Spirit of God at work in their lives. But, they have not been filled/baptized/indwelt by that Spirit.

You mentioned a number of times that repentance does not change a person; that it is the Spirit. I agree (mostly), and that same Spirit is what is teaching, anointing, leading, guiding these people. I don't see anywhere that God's anointing Spirit can't fall upon someone temporarily. It happened all the time in the OT.

But, His ultimate desire is to lead them to the truth of the new birth, because until then they are just recipients of God's mercy and grace on a level available to every human being.

Some choose to seek for and respond to this. Others seek, but never complete the process. They will be lost despite having "felt" the Spirit and been known to respond to the Spirit by those of us who recognize His work in their lives.

It will truly be sad for some who got oh-so-far.

[OGIA]

Originally Posted by Sherri

No one can convince me that I didn't have the Lord in my life all those years between when I was baptized in water and when I spoke in tongues.

Having the Lord in one's life and being born again are two totally different things, don't you agree?

[Felicity]

There is a difference receiving the baptism of the Spirit. I know the difference it makes in a person's life. I know the difference it made in mine. It ushered me into a new place as far as kingdom work and kingdom ministry was concerned. Gifts that I hadn't had and anointing I hadn't had were mine after I received that enduement of power.

However I HAD been born again several years before I received that experience.

The young men and women at Topeka who received the baptism of the Spirit didn't testify to being born again. They weren't seeking it for that purpose. They wanted the same power, gifting and anointing they saw evidenced in the book of Acts. They were Hungry, they were Seeking and they were filled.

But they weren't seeking to get salvation. That wasn't the purpose of what any of the 120 gathered in the Upper Room either.

Jesus did NOT tell His disciples to wait for an enduement of power for salvation.