****have You Heard This Song Before?***

[nahkoe]

You're right. On all counts.

Originally Posted by Joseph Miller

I preached in one 1 time and vowed to NEVER go back. That is totally against how Jesus did people.

Not one time did Jesus clean them up before he saved them! He always spoke to the sinner in love.

Where do we get the idea that we must clean them up before we baptize them? The preachers that run people off from these places will have blood on their hands on judgement day.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I see...so...is this a good thing?

No, it's just the lay of the land. It doesn't infer that anything is necessarily wrong with the Christian faith. We just need to take a look at the bigger picture and not get caught in doomsday fads that have been sweeping over us since even before Jesus Christ came into the world.

But I trust that you know that. It's probably one thing that we do agree on.

[FRINGE_NUTTER]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

The people would be watching you run out the door, and then go back to singing with their preacher and having a good time.

Hey ever been in a church where they tell the person being baptized that they have to get rid of their television and jewelry and make sure to get rid of ungodly clothes before they go under? Well, it happens and churches grow and people speak in tongues and people run out the doors, and people run into the church past the people running out.

People are getting saved and enjoying themselves, while you are running out the door and standing in the parking lot.

You have NOT answered my question.

I again ask this question for the third time:

If preachers are telling singers to sing songs about split skirts and they are doing it, what is on everyone's mind during the singing of that song more - the split skirts or Jesus?

.......I would not leave the church while that song was being sung. What I meant about leaving is that I would not care to stay (continue to attend) at a church where a song like that is sung. You put the "run out the door" part in. I didn't.... From reading your posts, you are one to jump to conclusions and try to second guess people. So ridiculous to make statements about me running out and standing in a parking lot. We are not all stereotypes of who you think we are. Most of us on here are probably God-fearing, ethical, respectable, honest and sincere Oneness folks who come here for a little fun.

You cautioned others about being personal with Caston Smith and you try to personalize matters with anyone who responds to your posts in anyway that doesn't agree with you 100%. Brother, you really need to get a grip. I have no argument with you. Please don't try to pick one with me.

I attend a church where the gospel is preached very conservatively as you mentioned but all of this singing about splits is not part of our worship.

GOOD NIGHT.

I don't care for some of those songs however.....they did serve a purpose.
Itused to be that a lot of songs were used to teach something. LIke it or not, these songs accomplished that purpose.

[RandyWayne]

The ONLY thing these song accomplish is to make the singers feel self righteous.
They don't "teach" anything to anyone.
They only give glory to the person singing them and make them feel "more saved" for not being like the heathen who may be sitting somewhere behind them -but probably not after a song like these.

Originally Posted by pelathais

The larger culture in the US and in the West in general is trending toward degeneration right now, however these things do go in cycles. They always have.

I do believe that things go in cycles and believe that "religion" slows the cycle of moral decay... but the cycle is inevitable, and has been repeated since the beginning of time.

What I DON'T know is what causes the cycle to start its upward movement again... for example, what exactly caused Western society to turn around after the free-love stuff from the late 60's and early 70's. Was it STD's that caused this change, or religion, or some other cultural phenomenon?

I was considering starting a thread on this but already started one today so this is a good opportunity to bring it up.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Sheltiedad

I do believe that things go in cycles and believe that "religion" slows the cycle of moral decay... but the cycle is inevitable, and has been repeated since the beginning of time.

What I DON'T know is what causes the cycle to start its upward movement again... for example, what exactly caused Western society to turn around after the free-love stuff from the late 60's and early 70's. Was it STD's that caused this change, or religion, or some other cultural phenomenon?

I was considering starting a thread on this but already started one today so this is a good opportunity to bring it up.

I would like to believe that it's the Spirit of God. But in the practical application of human affairs it's probably a complex mix of things.

When our culture was starting to climb up a bit from the nonsense of 60's and 70's several things happened at once.

America elected a strong moral leader in Ronald Reagan.
A new STD was ravaging portions of the promiscuous population.

And rather tellingly, at that same time the "glam rocker" David Bowie stopped recording for a while because, as he said at the time, "I was making myself sick with the things I was doing..."

People can really get sick of the degeneration around them, even "degenerate" people. We need to provide a voice of reason and love for when they do. If they turn to the church and see a bunch of angry rednecks they may feel that there's no alternative to the degeneration. And that's when societies die.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by pelathais

No, it's just the lay of the land. It doesn't infer that anything is necessarily wrong with the Christian faith. We just need to take a look at the bigger picture and not get caught in doomsday fads that have been sweeping over us since even before Jesus Christ came into the world.

Doomsday fads? You're not talking to me are you?

Originally Posted by pelathais

But I trust that you know that. It's probably one thing that we do agree on.

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[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

The ONLY thing these song accomplish is to make the singers feel self righteous.
They don't "teach" anything to anyone.
They only give glory to the person singing them and make them feel "more saved" for not being like the heathen who may be sitting somewhere behind them -but probably not after a song like these.

So, on the flip side I guess they should walk 10 miles to church on bloody kneecaps while beating their chests. I got it! Listen how about if they make the church really dark and, maybe just light candles in red glass holders, maybe the preachers could dress all in black and recite prayers in Latin.
They could also hand out small whips to the people and have the people repeat, "we are not worthy, we are not worthy, we are not worthy."

Just remember that those old songs do teach something, they teach that there are people out there that snivel every time they are sung.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

They could also hand out small whips to the people and have the people repeat, "we are not worthy, we are not worthy, we are not worthy."

Isn't this what church is like now?