Trying to Rescue Another from HMH Doctrine

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by Sabby

DB,
You did the right thing. I hope this lady keeps her eyes on Jesus instead of her church doctrine or pastor's teaching regarding the HMH junk. I hope every woman taught that doctrine of devils has a revelation of freedom in Christ.
If a woman's HAIR length defines her position in the Kingdom, all of us might as well pack it in and become followers of Edgar Cayce or Jeanne Dixon. It is occultic, with a misplaced emphasis on external appearances. The Kingdom of God has to do with HEART issues, in case anyone has forgotten.

The work of satan is to steal glory from God and to deceive people into taking their focus away from Jesus. There is much I agree with here.

[HolyFire]

Whether you believe in the power behind uncut hair or not (real or imagined power in your mind), the main issue with me isn't long or shot. It's cut or uncut. Some people can't grow long hair. My daughter's (she almost 2) hair is so curly she may not get it past her shoulder blades. However, I know of situations where women received answers to prayer beseeching God over their lost children, and in the course of prayer they mentioned to God they hadn't ever cut their hair. It wasn't long after the children returned to living for God.

I am not throwing stones at those who don't believe in any authority in the spirit realm granted because of uncut hair on women. To worship uncut hair (or a list of standards) is idolatry, I grant you that. I'll be the 1st person to tell you that God is more worried about the plumbline than he is the clothes line (I'm saying that as a conservative).

This is my experience with the whole thing. While praying one night an image popped into my mind of a woman kneeling, praying, while her hair fell down her side. Average looking AP woman. Then the hair turned into golden wings and the woman disappeared, and all I saw was the top of the Ark of the covenant. The two angels of beaten gold, their wings met on either side and encircled the place where the glory (doxa in Greek, kavod in the Hebrew) rested on the Ark of God.

I realized at that moment that the ark of the covenant wasn't lost. WE are now the Ark, filled with His Spirit, we carry the glory with us - if we let it (divided tongues like fire sat/rested on each of them).

I also realized 'because of the angels' in I Cor. 11 isn't just about the angels of God, but a type and shadow of those that were on the Ark of the Covenant.

Ok, that's my two cents. I do object to the belief in uncut hair being called a doctrine of devils, but I also object that some women (and men) believe that a woman who doesn't cut her hair is 100% right with God when their human spirits are as nasty as some Wiccans who also don't cut their hair. Without prayer and a relationship they are as ' a sounding brass and a tinkling cymbal', all noise and no substance. It's another form of idolatry, they don't look past their hair to the one they keep it uncut for.

[acerrak]

very interesting dream you have there. The bad thing it is one verse out of the bible, and any verse in such cases. one must look at culture, customs, context.

The issue is and i can still remember the picture. It was a bunch of women together and they let their hair down from the bee-hive hairdoo's and started praying over letters and over people with their hair. <- its this type of doctrine we detest with holy magic hair. We never see this in scriptures period.

as for cut and uncut its your preference just dont make it a heaven or hell issue, and no one gets emotionally caught up in it. My personal study doesnt support the uncut hair doctrine, but i dont condem them for not cutting. However it is usually the other way around.

[tv1a]

Our story is different. We saw positive changes in our family including our kids making strong commitments to follow Christ after we walked away from legalism.

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by tv1a

Our story is different. We saw positive changes in our family including our kids making strong commitments to follow Christ after we walked away from legalism.

I know when i walked away from legalism I grew More. i am in total agreeance with you on this.

[HolyFire]

Originally Posted by tv1a

Our story is different. We saw positive changes in our family including our kids making strong commitments to follow Christ after we walked away from legalism.

Originally Posted by acerrak

I know when i walked away from legalism I grew More. i am in total agreeance with you on this.

Following such things aren't legalism. Making it your salvation is legalism and idolatry.

[tv1a]

Making those things someone else's salvation is legalism.

Originally Posted by HolyFire

Following such things aren't legalism. Making it your salvation is legalism and idolatry.

[HolyFire]

Originally Posted by tv1a

Making those things someone else's salvation is legalism.

Anything that is not about Jesus Christ is just that. I agree. Not following the word of God, therein becomes where salvation is ironed out, that and in prayer.

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by HolyFire

Following such things aren't legalism. Making it your salvation is legalism and idolatry.

not so legalism isnt just about salvation its also about perception and expectations that is not found in the word of God

look at the bondage the pharasees had on the people, and laws would be changed and re written under the rabbi of the day.

problem with traditions is they usually end up becomming a measuring stick for some ones rightousness. Not that some traditions are bad, but many times over the end result is bad.

Heard news yesturday another preacher in a church Kicked to the curb cause he didnt follow the pastor mandates.

whose church is it the pastors or God's?

[Nitehawk013]

If that preacher cannot adhere to the Pastor's mandates, then let him go to another church or start his own if he is so sur ehe is right.

I disagree vehemently with my Pastor about tithing and a a couple of other things. I suppose I should have th eoption of going to the pulpit and voicing my disagreement? That would do wonders for the church right? NO confusion or splitting could reult from that at all right?

My course of action is simple. I can either continue to sit under my Pastor, and he does know my feeling very clearly and still uses me a lot, and keep my opinion to myself since he is the Pastor. Or, I can go elsewhere or start my own church where I can just say whatever I want and hold whatever position I want with no accountability to anyone.