Tithing…Is it a command?

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Esphes45

The BIBLE says you should WORK with YOUR hands, not take from from other hands! Stop robbing the poor people! The bible speaks of giving cheerfully being obligated is not cheerful. Especially when your own kids need to eat. If the Pastor has so much faith, why don't he pray for food?

All I am saying is IF TITHES were justified now (which it is hard to justify support unless you piece meal scriptures together) it would not necessarily have to be paid with MONEY.

I would love to read this justification you speak of. I am definitely interested. I promise you I will read it with a open heart & mind.

The Pastor is working with this hand when he writes those sermons.

Stop robbing God!

If you do not want to give, then do not give, no one is forcing you, We are not pointing a gun to your head. cheapskate.

The Bible says that those who minister are to receive their living from their ministry. that is their job, you cheapskate go to a lawyer and ask him to provide you services without you paying a penny for them and let me know how well it goes for you.

I could write a whole book on tithing, but I seriously do not think it would be worth the effort, for you are already quite antagonistic to the tithing principle.

just go and enjoy your ice cream with the stolen tithes you have taken from a poor needy preacher.

[obriencp]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

You need to stop robbing God.

you twist the scriptures to promote a non-giving attitude.
God gave the very best for you and you are so miserly that you simply refuse to give him even a 10% back of the blessings that he has given you.

Everything that you have is because God gave it to you, go ahead and rob God and excuse yourself by twisting the scriptures.

It is because of attitudes like yours that I have seen poor pastors barely able to feed their families, they struggle and even have to get a job, and then when they neglect their ministerial duties because they have to work, then it is the people like you who attack him for not always being present to attend to the church members.

I have seen to many poor preachers who have been kind to their members who do not pay tithes, but he catches heck from those members if he is not at their beck and call.

Paul say not to muzzle the ox that threated out the corn, but you have gone beyond muzzling that ox, but have actually have tied down his feet and have poked him and demanded that he get up and run.

how hypocritical of you, and your anti-tithe crowd fellows.

Just because some of us are anti-tithe, does not mean we are anti-giving. This is the same emotional response all strong tithe believers resort to. We are not trying to keep people from giving, we are trying to eliminate a mandated "10% given to the church or else" doctrine started by the Catholic church.

[obriencp]

in this corner we have the non-tithers being accused of robbing God.

and in this corner we have the tithe preachers being accused of robbing God's people.

Breathe in, breathe out. We're all passionate about what we believe.

[shag]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

The Pastor is working with this hand when he writes those sermons.

Stop robbing God!

If you do not want to give, then do not give, no one is forcing you, We are not pointing a gun to your head. cheapskate.

The Bible says that those who minister are to receive their living from their ministry. that is their job, you cheapskate go to a lawyer and ask him to provide you services without you paying a penny for them and let me know how well it goes for you.

I could write a whole book on tithing, but I seriously do not think it would be worth the effort, for you are already quite antagonistic to the tithing principle.

just go and enjoy your ice cream with the stolen tithes you have taken from a poor needy preacher.

We already have THE BOOK, why write one? To explain what the bible doesn't?

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by shag

We already have THE BOOK, why write one? To explain what the bible doesn't?

There is not one single scripture that speaks against the tithe.
It is your crowd who speaks against the tithe, not the scriptures for there is not one single one that says "do not pay tithes" or anything like that.

You go ahead to McDonalds and ask them to feed you for nothing, let me know how it goes.

I have been in plenty of services where I have seen people put not a penny in the plate and yet felt qualified to criticize the sermon or the Pastor.

People go to church and get spiritual food, which is just as important (man shall not live by bread alone) as spiritual food. I have seen the plate passed around with a few pennies, maybe a dollar or two.

Now try going to McDonald and give the same amount of money you put in the collection plate and let us see how much food your cheapskate non-tithing miserly, stingy crowd would get for what they put in the collection plate.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

There is not one single scripture that speaks against the tithe.
It is your crowd who speaks against the tithe, not the scriptures for there is not one single one that says "do not pay tithes" or anything like that.

Sorry but it does not work that way. The burden of proof is on YOU to show US where the New Testament, or even the Old Testament for that matter commands anyone to tithe currency income.

As for your "eating for free at MacDonalds" analogy. The bread of life does not belong to some company to be SOLD. It is free manna from above and those who feel called to preach it full time without being bi-vocational simply need to trust God to meet their needs. They cannot charge a fee for something that does not belong to them to begin with.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Sorry but it does not work that way. The burden of proof is on YOU to show US where the New Testament, or even the Old Testament for that matter commands anyone to tithe currency income.

As for your "eating for free at MacDonalds" analogy. The bread of life does not belong to some company to be SOLD. It is free manna from above and those who feel called to preach it full time without being bi-vocational simply need to trust God to meet their needs. They cannot charge a fee for something that does not belong to them to begin with.

When you need to be baptized, married or buried I hope your preacher does not have to excuse himself by saying sorry, but since I have to go work at McDonalds to support my family, I will simply throw a glass of water upon you, I will tweet you the wedding ceremony, or I will text you a few words to your funeral.

Jesus could have turned stones into bread, yet there were plenty of people who gave him and the Apostles of their substance.

Go and enjoy your meal at McDonalds where a poor preacher is probably flipping the burgers you will eat since, he has to supplement his income because the miserly, stingy, God robbing anti-tithe crowd do not want to pay him for all his efforts.

Go ahead and muzzle your ox till he starves.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

There is not one single scripture that speaks against the tithe.
It is your crowd who speaks against the tithe, not the scriptures
for there is not one single one that says "do not pay tithes" or anything like that.


You go ahead to McDonalds and ask them to feed you for nothing, let me know how it goes.

I have been in plenty of services where I have seen people put not a penny in the plate and yet felt qualified to criticize the sermon or the Pastor.

People go to church and get spiritual food, which is just as important (man shall not live by bread alone) as spiritual food. I have seen the plate passed around with a few pennies, maybe a dollar or two.

would Now try going to McDonald and give the same amount of money you put in the collection plate and let us see how much food your cheapskate non-tithing miserly, stingy crowd get for what they put in the collection plate.

I know one thing. I'd never want to sit under a pastor with an attitude like yours.

Second to that as far as your McDonald's analogy goes, well I've heard a lot of Pentecostal (I dare not call it Apostolic) preaching that would qualify for the dollar menu. Sometimes the quality of the preaching us trying to pass soy off as meat.

Some folk think real highly of their preaching. I hate when I hear a preacher say "I'm preaching good tonight" or "That's so good I'll have to amen my own message". And ironically most of it is just emotionalism and red meat phrases to work the crowd. But if someone can't even do enough Biblical exposition to realize how weak the tithing doctrine is, well I'm not sure about the rest of their teaching.

As for your righteous indignation when you say "It is your crowd who speaks against the tithe, not the scriptures
for there is not one single one that says "do not pay tithes" or anything like that."

I'd simply point out there is not a single scripture anywhere that speaks of PAYING tithes". But again I suggest, maybe you should just write that into your own version of the Bible like you changed Matthew 28:19. Make a customized OP Bible. Who needs the Apocrypha when we can just change the text itself?

You also said " Now try going to McDonald and give the same amount of money you put in the collection plate and let us see how much food your cheapskate non-tithing miserly, stingy crowd.". Which makes me wonder if perhaps not only have you not studied the scripture on tithing but perhaps you have missed the scriptures about the qualifications of a bishop. Please allow me to refer you to the criteria of 1 Timothy 3 & Titus 1.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

When you need to be baptized, married or buried I hope your preacher does not have to excuse himself by saying sorry, but since I have to go work at McDonalds to support my family, I will simply throw a glass of water upon you, I will tweet you the wedding ceremony, or I will text you a few words to your funeral.

Jesus could have turned stones into bread, yet there were plenty of people who gave him and the Apostles of their substance.

Go and enjoy your meal at McDonalds where a poor preacher is probably flipping the burgers you will eat since, he has to supplement his income because the miserly, stingy, God robbing anti-tithe crowd do not want to pay him for all his efforts.

Go ahead and muzzle your ox till he starves.

I'm a bi vocational pastor. And it is hard. Ministry is hard. But I do it because I minister to meet peoples needs not for them to meet mine. Are there times I wish I was a f/t salaried pastor? I'm not going to lie, yes there are. But overall I am glad that I have never been a financial burden to any church. I have always preached free, and I believe God has blessed me abundantly. I have very nice temporal things and live well. And I'm not offended that I have to work.

I dont preach or pastor because I need a job. I do it because I want to see people saved.

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

When you need to be baptized, married or buried I hope your preacher does not have to excuse himself by saying sorry, but since I have to go work at McDonalds to support my family, I will simply throw a glass of water upon you, I will tweet you the wedding ceremony, or I will text you a few words to your funeral.

Jesus could have turned stones into bread, yet there were plenty of people who gave him and the Apostles of their substance.

Go and enjoy your meal at McDonalds where a poor preacher is probably flipping the burgers you will eat since, he has to supplement his income because the miserly, stingy, God robbing anti-tithe crowd do not want to pay him for all his efforts.

Go ahead and muzzle your ox till he starves.

If they are that poor get a better job.

Paul preached the gospel free of charge. Pro-tithers of money don't mention that--why? Jesus and the Apostles were on the missionary field. Not forcing a tithe of money from old people, the sick, the dieing, widows, the crippled, etc.

Some of these poor starving Pastors are driving Bentleys, Mercedes, Cadillacs and can hardly fit in their cars.

Quit whining.

What was the ox doing Flaming?? Corn-corn-corn!!!!!!!!!!!! See the beauty of hermeneutics?

Any Pastor out there starving please contact me--seriously.