The Persecution of Women in the Church - Page 67

Sister Alvear · #**661** 09-17-2007, 08:58 PM

Well you folks will want to send me to the jungle ...but I will post anyway...

Redemption has to be greater than the fall and must go beyond all dimensions that the fall brought upon humanity. Redemption covers every area of life. Why is it that we have no difficulty in celebrating what redemption has brought to mankind, but yet find it hard to celebrate redemption in connection with the woman? Could it be that many theologians have biased ideas and opinions?

Revelation 20:6: Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection as such the second death hath no power but they shall be priests of God and of Christ and shall reign with him a thousand years.

This refers to the same event where there will be no difference in sex neither male nor female. Note that the Bible says “And shall reign (rule) with him one thousand years.” God’s original conception of things will be restored; male and female will be governing co-equal again (Revelation 1:6 and 5:10).

Many people accept this theory in the coming generations but don’t want it in this generation. It stands to reason in this generation we are yet striving to reach that place in Christ. But as we put on Christ more and more we will see less competition among the sexes. We will all begin to realize that when the spirit moves upon us to speak we neither speak as male or female but as oracles of God. Our voice becomes his voice when we are in perfect harmony with Him.

#**662** 09-17-2007, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Felicity

Shunned all? Maybe, but I doubt it.

I've known some of these guys who talk about how that they can do more for God by remaining single and celibate. I don't know hardly any that do any more for God than most sold out saints and preachers.

It's all talk, mostly. And it's usually just a cover.

And all the church say AMEN!

Sister Alvear · #**663** 09-17-2007, 09:01 PM

I have studied many years on the subject of women and their callings. ...

It is interesting to note that - three names are applied to Adam’s wife:
(1) Woman (in Genesis 2:23)
(2)Both are called Adam in Genesis 5:2. God made
them “one flesh” and gave them one name.
(3) Eve was the name given after the transgression
(Genesis 3:16, 20). Eve means “life” or “life- giving” or mother of all who have life. Maybe this helps us understand better that as mentioned through the seed of the woman, sin would one day be vanquished and death would be swallowed up in victory.
Through a woman the Holy Ghost was going to conceive and make the Word flesh. The love of God is beautiful which anoints a lowly woman to speak the Word. Jesus is the central figure. God lifted woman up and used her to bring forth Jesus. Adam was first but He came by woman. It is the woman more than the man that appears in the redemption story. Genesis 3:15; Galatians 4:4-5; Luke 1:26-30; Luke 1:42.
The incarnation of the Word gives the women freedom to preach, to minister, to speak publicly and to defend the Word of God. This is one of the theological implications of the doctrine of incarnation.

Sister Alvear · #**664** 09-17-2007, 09:02 PM

Something so very special happened to a woman. She carried Grace and Truth. The only time the glory of God was totally encased in flesh was by a virgin girl named Mary. For the Bible says “that holy thing” referring to the fetus of Jesus Christ was the New Testament Ark of the Covenant. The Holiest of Holies lay nestled safely in her womb. The first time the mercy seat would ever be touched as human form would be touched by Mary. She embraced it and cradled it in her arms - the very Word of life.

Felicity · #**665** 09-17-2007, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by crazyhomie

And all the church say AMEN!

Oh my goodness! You actually responded to one of my posts!!

LOL!

Sister Alvear · #**666** 09-17-2007, 09:07 PM

One of the reasons that religious leaders were against Jesus was that He did not accept the Jewish traditions that were accepted by almost everyone else. For example, Jesus healed on the Sabbath, dined with sinners, and talked with women who were not of the Jewish race. He not only talked with them, but also taught them - something unheard of in His day. Jesus sent His disciples to gather corn on the Sabbath (Mark 2:3-28). He healed on the Sabbath; He broke many of their rules proving that traditions of men are not the laws of God!
Christ seemly considered Himself Lord of “traditions”. Whenever tradition hinders or prevents the work of Christ, it is necessary to dismiss that tradition.
Paul taught the Galatians freedom and liberty in the Spirit. In Christ there is no racial or ethnic superiority. No culture or class superiority, no gender superiority (Galatians 3:28). Paul taught the gifts are for all (I Corinthians 12:27-28; II Corinthians 5:20).
Women like men can pray and prophesy in the congregation. By prophesying, Paul meant intelligible preaching that built up the faith of the church.
When tradition hinders or prevents the work of Christ, it is necessary to alter that tradition. The perpetuation of a tradition that no longer serves humanity but dictates to how one should do something then thwarts the purposes of God’s church. It is then the tradition is in conflict with the will of God.

#**667** 09-17-2007, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

It wasn’t until later that Tertullian a well-known Ante-Nicene Father of the Third Century said that no woman has the right to speak in the church, teach or baptize or anything that pertains to the function of a man or a place in the ministry. He started putting labels on what was deemed as a “manly function” or what a person’s place was in ministry. Perhaps this is what he needed to do because of the upcoming priest and nun separation groups of the Roman Catholic Church. We are no part of that heresy.

This begs to ask the question as the original post; How has that influenced the church culture today? How has the RCC influenced even modern Apostolic movements? Many early church fathers (1900 - ) have been converted out of the RCC into the Apostolic faith; 1900 - today. Does this play a part or influence the male dominating role in many of our circles. Has it affected our perception of what a woman's role is?

Thank you Sis, this is what I had in mind. Excellent research.

#**668** 09-17-2007, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Something so very special happened to a woman. She carried Grace and Truth. The only time the glory of God was totally encased in flesh was by a virgin girl named Mary. For the Bible says “that holy thing” referring to the fetus of Jesus Christ was the New Testament Ark of the Covenant. The Holiest of Holies lay nestled safely in her womb. The first time the mercy seat would ever be touched as human form would be touched by Mary. She embraced it and cradled it in her arms - the very Word of life.

Awesome! No doubt this is why Satan is interested and has targeted women. The role of a man is to protect and provide. Again, I do feel Satan's attempt to bypass the male and directly attack Eve in the garden is still his plan today.

Sister Alvear · #**669** 09-17-2007, 09:14 PM

I seldom say much along these lines but I am enjoying this subject and could get quite long winded...ha...I HAVE NEVER DOUBTED THE CALL OF GOD ON MY LIFE BUT I HAVE STUDIED LONG AND HARD TO KNOW BEYOND A SHADOW OF DOUBT THAT THERE IS A PLACE IN MINISTRY FOR THE APOSTOLIC WOMAN!

Sister Alvear · #**670** 09-17-2007, 09:17 PM

Sadly the RCC controls the minds and thoughts of many Apostolics...they are fast to tell you when the mode of baptism was changed and who changed it...but they do not tell you who took the women from behind the pulpits...