Oneness Pentecostal Apologetics Conference

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

Is that a slight exaggeration to say his departure "birthed" the charismatic movement? The Charismatic movement was festering immediately after Azusa. Some would argue before Azusa in churches overseas.

Agreed ... I think many walked away from Azusa with a view that it is not a universal or initial sign ....

It is definitely a historical marker .... within the AOG as they codified their stance on initial evidence.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

How did you like Liberty's classes?

I am assuming these were online?

My son is looking at Liberty for undergrad.

Baron,

JN would know best since he's there. But I had a friend taking Master's level courses from there. In discussion with him, I wasn't that impressed on the quality of instruction he got, particularly with the distance program. For a Master's program, I'd highly recommend either 100% on-campus or a cluster class situation where once a quarter you spend 5 full days, mixing it up.

I also judge a school based on its faculty, it's history, and what the school is known for. For example, I personally would not study theology at Vanguard.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by pelathais

On this level of interaction? (see pic)

Equal in the sight of God? OF course! Pel, do you think Trinitarians as a whole view Oneness doctrinally equal? Please folks, go visit Carm. We are despised ther for our doctrines. They treat us with disdain, say we are not Christian, lost and going to hell, as a whole, not just some or part of most OPs....because we deny the Trinity

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by DAII

Agreed ... I think many walked away from Azusa with a view that it is not a universal or initial sign ....

It is definitely a historical marker .... within the AOG as they codified their stance on initial evidence.

I agree. The articulation of tongues as exclusive evidence didn't even come right away until a little while after 1906 -- and there was no unified agreement. THe following 100 years are snapshots of schisms after schisms.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

I didn't think Lee Grady's 1997 article in Charisma magazine was a closed-fisted approach to Oneness Pentecostals. It featured critique, but also a hope that there would be fellowship. I think if there is more working together, it comes at the expense of not trying to convert each other to their contended view, but really enjoying each other's fellowship in love. As long as you think the other brother is going to the hot place, is deluded and deceived, then it's not really possibly to have genuine fellowship.

I think you're right that AOG and independent charismatic groups are more likely to fellowship with oneness pentecostals than other groups. I think the Oneness doctrine is just one stumbling block of many for these other groups. The obvious outward distinctions, emphasis on salvation by tongues, etc all additional issues to overcome.

I think one bright spot has been the presence of Oneness Pentecostals at the Society for Pentecostal Studies. I wouldn't look for them anytime soon at the WCC though.

Exactly. As I have been saying, it goes both ways. You won't see Evangelicals, non=Pentecostals, for the most part as individuals or organizations joining up with someone that denies the Trinity.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

I agree. The articulation of tongues as exclusive evidence didn't even come right away until a little while after 1906 -- and there was no unified agreement. THe following 100 years are snapshots of schisms after schisms.

I have rephrased the statement.... giving impetus to the nascent Charismatic movement.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Equal in the sight of God? OF course! Pel, do you think Trinitarians as a whole view Oneness doctrinally equal? Please folks, go visit Carm. We are despised ther for our doctrines. They treat us with disdain, say we are not Christian, lost and going to hell, as a whole, not just some or part of most OPs....because we deny the Trinity

Definitely a lot of those attitudes. But I sense a changing. When both sides insist less on dogmatic positions on things that aren't entirely clear, more progress is accomplished.

Though CARM's apologetics material is helpful, I'm not a big fan of them.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

I think they have some published works out like this. I'd consider Segraves' book on Romans somewhat of an exegetical commentary.

Id like to see a commentary for the entire bible, but of an exegetical kind, exploring the greek and alternate legitimate translations for greek words/syntax.

As I pointed out, several Trinitarian scholars agree some verses can be translated different, even ones that are banner Trinitarian verses like Heb 1:8 (which is a verse I would use to to show the Deity of the Son)

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

Baron,

JN would know best since he's there. But I had a friend taking Master's level courses from there. In discussion with him, I wasn't that impressed on the quality of instruction he got, particularly with the distance program. For a Master's program, I'd highly recommend either 100% on-campus or a cluster class situation where once a quarter you spend 5 full days, mixing it up.

I also judge a school based on its faculty, it's history, and what the school is known for. For example, I personally would not study theology at Vanguard.

Well Cody would be an on campus student. Thanks for the input. Sometimes it is different even within the different schools. Regent's online government program is weak, but their online Communications program is great.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by DAII

This would seem to be a core doctrine for salvation and teaching for the original Apostolic faith your site propagates .... I'd imagine you would insist all would be on board on this one.

Are there articles I could reference by them that would state their beliefs on necessary universal and initial glossalia?

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