Billy Graham

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by houston

The other 2 are hipstery? ROFLOL.

Google "what is the most hipster beer."

PBR and Natty Light are up towards the top. I doubt he's an Olde English guy.

[Evang.Benincasa]

the way this thread has finally devolved he must chase down his beer with Red Lady 21

[houston]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Google "what is the most hipster beer."

PBR and Natty Light are up towards the top. I doubt he's an Olde English guy.

You’re right. That’s news to me. I guess I learned beer from hipster “new” Calvinist. Never had I seen any of those recommended.

And OE would knock him on his...

[houston]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

the way this thread has finally devolved he must chase down his beer with Red Lady 21

Nice review on ghetto wine dot com.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

the way this thread has finally devolved he must chase down his beer with Red Lady 21

ROFL!

I had to google that one. First page, top result, "Ghetto Wine.com"

lol

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

ROFL!

I had to google that one. First page, top result, "Ghetto Wine.com"

lol

It has to be washed down with beer, or else you will gag on it.

Aquila probably keeps his study notes on the brown paper bag it comes in?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Ten years let us know how you're doing.

How long ago were you Apostolic Pentecostal?

Like I said, drop us a line in ten years.

Time always proves all things my man.

I hope you get it together.

Really I do.

Honestly, if I'm wrong, I do too.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Honestly, if I'm wrong, I do too.

Having no Bible for what you believe is a good start.

Ya think?

[JamesGlen]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Honestly, if I'm wrong, I do too.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Having no Bible for what you believe is a good start.

Ya think?

Indeed it does.

You have a bible, written by those splitting hell wide open according to you. How brilliant is that?

Btw, since the gates of hell prevailing against His Church is actually in reference to physical resurrection, and not a church chain of succession, you are in luck DB,(well, maybe not) Instead of showing how you, and the 6 or 7 others you have holding hands in the streets of glory(only NT people having lived in the last max of 100 years of nearly a 2000 year apostasy) you can go ahead and openly admit you don’t even believe in a future physical bodily resurrection, so you're hung out to dry either way, son.

But then Aquilla, don’t you believe in Universalism, and have everybody that ever took a breathe going to heaven, no matter how bad they were, somehow getting a 2nd chance to hear and believe the gospel when they’re physically dead?

Some of you guys’ beliefs, beats all I ever stepped in, walking through the chicken coop.

DB, how is it that God would use unsave hell bound in the carpool lane people, to translate his only written words of everlasting life since the New Covenant began? All these translations, every last one, by everyone going straight to hell, how can we trust any of it...Talk about lack of common sense.

How about you break down exactly what takes place at Jesus name baptism for the reader, according to the scriptures, WHO says what, (book, chapter, verse)so we can better understand how only your 7 or 8 have genuinely made it through the pearly gates.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by JamesGlen

But then Aquilla, don’t you believe in Universalism, and have everybody that ever took a breathe going to heaven, no matter how bad they were, somehow getting a 2nd chance to hear and believe the gospel when they’re physically dead?

Actually, no.

What I believe is that the Bible is clear, Acts 2:38 is the full standard of salvation. But I think people read Acts 2:38 too fast. They also forget about key soteriological doctrines (justification, identification, regeneration) and how they are involved. When one comes to faith and repents, they experience "justification". This aspect of justification comes by faith alone. In justification Christ's sinless righteousness is imputed to the believer. This imputed righteousness allows them to come forward and be identified with Christ in baptism, and to receive the Holy Spirit, which brings regeneration to the inner man. This element of justification is by faith, and faith alone. Being justified the believer stands before God in a sinless righteousness. This is why some people can receive the Holy Spirit not only after water baptism, but even before it. Justification is not predicated upon theological correctness... else a sinner would have to be doctrinally perfect to be saved. It is by faith alone.

Now, let's say that someone (like John Wesley) comes to genuine faith in Christ (as the result of God's prevenient grace) and repents of their sins... they are justified. Their theological views aren't the issue. It's all about Christ's proprietary atonement being applied to their lives and His imputed righteousness being attributed to them predicated upon their faith.

Now, doesn't God desire that they be identified with Christ in baptism? Of course! To refuse baptism is rebellion. Such a soul will be backsliding almost immediately after being justified. But if they desire to be baptized in obedience to the Word, they are in obedience. Now, the theology of the church baptizing them might be off. The preacher might baptize in titles. This is error. However, I believe that if the believer's faith and desire to obey is genuine, God may have mercy.

When one receives the Holy Spirit, they experience regeneration. The "evidence" of this experience is speaking in tongues. However, this "evidence" may not be so visible in some circumstances. Sometimes this experience comes with much power, leading to groanings, unintelligible sobbings, and spiritual ecstasy that overwhelms the individual. To judge such an experience is beyond our ability as human beings. We can definitely know that the baptism of the Spirit has taken place if tongues are present. But we can't be certain if we don't see the tongues. Were the unintelligible sobbings "tongues"??? Some things are best left up to God to judge.

Having said that,...

Let's say that one comes to faith, repents of their sins, desires to be water baptized, but the church schedules their baptism for the very next service... but the individual is killed before the baptismal service. Some would tell you that in spite of their desire to obey and their blessed expectancy, they were actually lost! I don't believe that. I believe on account of their faith and repentance, they died in a "justified" state. And being in such a state, God's grace and mercy is more than enough to bring them home. Though they will not share in the same eternal blessings in glory as those who received the fullness of God's salvation.

I do not embrace Universalism.

Some of you guys’ beliefs, beats all I ever stepped in, walking through the chicken coop.

I pray I've explained my view adequately.

DB, how is it that God would use unsave hell bound in the carpool lane people, to translate his only written words of everlasting life since the New Covenant began? All these translations, every last one, by everyone going straight to hell, how can we trust any of it...Talk about lack of common sense.

That is indeed one of my major contentions with EB's view. In EB's view it feels like God's people are always the redheaded step children, borrowing from the wicked. They Bible they read, the songs they sing, the congregational church structure, down to the little communion wafers. All of it is borrowed from the very people they vehemently condemn.

How about you break down exactly what takes place at Jesus name baptism for the reader, according to the scriptures, WHO says what, (book, chapter, verse)so we can better understand how only your 7 or 8 have genuinely made it through the pearly gates.

I know that this was directed at EB. But I tried to break it all down in accordance to the way I understand it. I can give Scripture references if you like. I was just trying to give a quick response.