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06-30-2010, 01:25 PM
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Re: Oneness Pentecostal Apologetics Conference
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"The essentially salvation-historical structure of the Book of Acts is too often overlooked."
Showing the Spirit: A Theological Exposition of 1 Corinthians 12-14 by D.A. Carson pg. 150 |
Have you read Fee's God's Empowering Presence yet? Any critique you have published if so?
Also, what are your graduate/post-grad credentials?
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06-30-2010, 01:25 PM
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Re: Oneness Pentecostal Apologetics Conference
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Haven't clicked the link. But maybe state your thesis better. Not many deny tongues "aren't valid today." There's quite a debate going, however, on tonguers as exclusive evidence of the baptism of the Spirit, and further, a debate on whether the baptism of the Spirit is essential for salvation (thus, is is distinct from the indwelled spirit in John 3). That is the real issue. |
Yes, that is the argument AofG holds. I have interacted with Stanely Horton and the AofG's view in my articles.
http://evidentialfaith.blogspot.com/...ly-spirit.html
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06-30-2010, 01:28 PM
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Re: Oneness Pentecostal Apologetics Conference
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They have a common position in their position papers on the AOG website, but they are far from unified on the topic. Take Gordon Fee for example. Much diversity in the AOG.
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06-30-2010, 01:29 PM
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Re: Oneness Pentecostal Apologetics Conference
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Have you read Fee's God's Empowering Presence yet? Any critique you have published if so?
Also, what are your graduate/post-grad credentials?
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I am undergrad. My wife and I are planning to relocate to begin our graduate studies. I have had to do most of my learning through self-study, theology at JCM and Religous Studies from Liberty University.
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06-30-2010, 01:30 PM
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Re: Oneness Pentecostal Apologetics Conference
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I am undergrad. My wife and I are planning to relocate to begin our graduate studies. I have had to do most of my learning through self-study, theology at JCM and Religous Studies from Liberty University.
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Good for you!
Best wishes on your studies!
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06-30-2010, 01:33 PM
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Re: Oneness Pentecostal Apologetics Conference
The other "new" issue was handled I believe with less divisiveness when FF Bosworth broke with the AOG .... and decided to leave shortly after publishing “Do All Speak in Tongues” (1918) ... giving birth to the Charismatic movement.
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06-30-2010, 01:34 PM
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Re: Oneness Pentecostal Apologetics Conference
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The other "new" issue was handled I believe with less divisiveness when FF Bosworth the AOG decided to leave shortly after publishing “Do All Speak in. Tongues” (1918) ... giving birth to the Charismatic movement.
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Is that a slight exaggeration to say his departure "birthed" the charismatic movement? The Charismatic movement was festering immediately after Azusa. Some would argue before Azusa in churches overseas.
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06-30-2010, 01:34 PM
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Re: Oneness Pentecostal Apologetics Conference
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The "... or hell" thing seems to go hand-in-hand with unbiblical "standards."
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Im not exactly sure what you mean, but it also goes hand-in-hand with evangelicals like Ray Comfort...
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- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
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06-30-2010, 01:34 PM
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Re: Oneness Pentecostal Apologetics Conference
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I am undergrad. My wife and I are planning to relocate to begin our graduate studies. I have had to do most of my learning through self-study, theology at JCM and Religous Studies from Liberty University.
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How did you like Liberty's classes?
I am assuming these were online?
My son is looking at Liberty for undergrad.
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06-30-2010, 01:36 PM
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Re: Oneness Pentecostal Apologetics Conference
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Probably not if your only agenda is to teach them the truth.
I have NEVER had a problem with any churches that I have done stuff for, and with, coming from a Oneness background. I have taught Sunday School for an Assembly of God church, I have been in leadership both in Non-denominational and CEA churches. I have done youth activities with Oneness churches and Open Bible churches. The key is I am not there to shove something down their throat, I am there to work with them on whatever level I can.
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We've never had a problem in my church either. We celebrated "Pentecost" a month ago with a large baptist church in town. However I have run into other Trinitarians that only have spite to say and shove THEIR stuff down my throat. Im sure they would not be so welcoming
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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