Marty Ballestero doesn't LIKE facial hair on men!!

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by AR Pastor

I feel if they were sincere they would shave and stop putting up a fuss.

And if a pastor were sincere in his handling of the Word... would he really make it a bone of contention within the body?

Again I have never seen a man with a beard that didn't have a lot of other things that needed changing. Those that want whiskers usually want TV and rings, sports etc. also..

I rest my case...

Those who follow the Lord are consumed with His ways. Those who are consumed with their own ways, traditions, legalisms, and religion will always elevate their opinions and legalisms to being equal to the Word itself.

[AR Pastor]

Originally Posted by Aquila

And if a pastor were sincere in his handling of the Word... would he really make it a bone of contention within the body?



I rest my case...

Those who follow the Lord are consumed with His ways. Those who are consumed with their own ways, traditions, legalisms, and religion will always elevate their opinions and legalisms to being equal to the Word itself.

TV sports and jewelry can all be taught against using scripture. The principles are there. But those who don't want the wants of God will not see them. They want teachers that tickle their ears and let them live like the world.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Aquila here is my major problem the well kept beard is NOT the beard the scriptures mention surely you see that. You guys quote scriptures for beards then do not want to wear those beards. You defend yourselves by that which you have no intention of doing. I put facial hair with the rest of the stuff you name.

Bro. Eply... I don't believe that we're under the Law. Nor would I say we must obey what is written in the Law concerning beards. However, I would draw from the Law to show that God clearly didn't find facial hair a sin. Therefore, one can wear facial hair that doesn't adhere to requirements of the Law of Moses.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Hollywood's Jesus?

Do you believe that Jesus wore a beard?

[Reader]

Originally Posted by AR Pastor

I do know those that preach it as a sin.

Of course it's not a sin to require member to shave. If a man of god fee that it is a slippery slop and will lead people the wrong direction he is right to preach what he believes.

There are things that are not sins that are weights and hinder.

Now if you want whiskers fine go for it but some of us are not and will not be forced into excepting it.

Can you show where Paul, for instance, took a personal preference and preached it as a requirement? Peter? John?

Here if the difference in how we see this. YOU see it as a weight and hindrance. Fine. No problem. But then you require YOUR thoughts on a non-salvational issue to be adopted by everyone who attends the church you pastor. That is where a pastor is over-stepping their bounds.

Share all you want how you believe it to be a slippery slope and a weight and hindrance. Taking it the step further to make it a requirement for membership and fellowship with other believers goes against what we can see in the Bible. You can find no New Testament church doing this.

Here is a question I have for you and Steve Epley and anyone else posting here who makes this such a requirement. If you will not fellowship in person with men who have facial hair, why is it fine for you to post here and fellowship on this board with men who do have facial hair? Why allow that slippery slope? What happened to the weight and hindrance? I am by no means saying to leave, but would like to understand how this fellowship on AFF with unshaven men is perfectly acceptable and yet in person these same men would be rejected by you for fellowship? You come here, knowing there are believers who have facial hair and this is fine but in person is not. And it cannot be that you don't have to see it here as some show their facial hair in avatars.

In other words, why is fellowship with unshaved men online permitted while fellowship of unshaved men in person is not?

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Simply then... do you consider any man having a beard to be in sin?

No, and after reading Aquila's post on the current culture and manhood, I may let mine get bushy and stop "styling" it!!!! Love to roar like a LION!!!! To protect my family and those I love!!! And to praise my God!

[Kevin Archer]

Ouch!! oops. . . I accidentally cut my upper lip while shaving last night.. It's still sore. . .

[Reader]

Originally Posted by AR Pastor

Again I have never seen a man with a beard that didn't have a lot of other things that needed changing. Those that want whiskers usually also want TV and rings, sports etc.

There are a great many shaved men that want TV and rings, sports, and so forth. Then how is facial hair that slippery slope?

[Aquila]

Ever notice how a strictly conservative UPCI Jesus would look like Jim Morrison?



Personally, I believe Jesus had a beard...

[AR Pastor]

Originally Posted by Reader

There are a great many shaved men that want TV and rings, sports, and so forth. Then how is facial hair that slippery slope?

Don't fellowship that crowd either.