Bishop SC Johnson

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Danville

Does anyone have any copies of the debate that Bishop S.C Johnson had with Don Rudd in Houston,Texas?

I do.

[MarieA27]

Do anyone have the debate of Bishop S.C. Johnson vs. Dr. Eckerson (sp?), Cherry, or Elder Mischaw (sp?)?

[Michael The Disciple]

I may have asked this already in this thread but dont want to go back over 600 posts to check. Did not Bishop Johnson teach soul sleep?

[MarieA27]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

I may have asked this already in this thread but dont want to go back over 600 posts to check. Did not Bishop Johnson teach soul sleep?

Explain soul sleep exactly. If you are referring to how no one is in heaven (except Jesus and his angels) or hell (no matter if they have been dead 20, 100, 2000+ years) or going to heaven or hell until after the resurrection, or that everyone who dies is in the dust (not alive or conscious) till the time of the resurrection, then yes, maybe. But if there is anything in the Soul sleep doctrine other than that added to this then, maybe not.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by MarieA27

Explain soul sleep exactly. If you are referring to how no one is in heaven (except Jesus and his angels) or hell (no matter if they have been dead 20, 100, 2000+ years) or going to heaven or hell until after the resurrection, or that everyone who dies is in the dust (not alive or conscious) till the time of the resurrection, then yes, maybe. But if there is anything in the Soul sleep doctrine other than that added to this then, maybe not.

Yes thats what I mean. "Soul Sleep" is a term used to decribe that death is like sleep. I wish I could just use "resurrection" but nowadays people wont relate to its true meaning.

They think their soul is immortal and the resurrection speaks only of the dead body coming back to be united again with its disembodied soul. They dont realize the gospel or "good news" is promarily concerning that dead folks can live again with Christ.

So do the groups that can from Bishop Johnson uniformly teach this?

[MarieA27]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Yes thats what I mean. "Soul Sleep" is a term used to decribe that death is like sleep. I wish I could just use "resurrection" but nowadays people wont relate to its true meaning.

They think their soul is immortal and the resurrection speaks only of the dead body coming back to be united again with its disembodied soul. They dont realize the gospel or "good news" is promarily concerning that dead folks can live again with Christ.

So do the groups that can from Bishop Johnson uniformly teach this?

Sorry another question, what is annihilation? And do you believe in an actual hell, lower hell (everlasting torment, fire and brimstone)?

[Michael The Disciple]

Can you answer my question first?

[johnny44]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

I may have asked this already in this thread but dont want to go back over 600 posts to check. Did not Bishop Johnson teach soul sleep?

Yes

[johnny44]

Originally Posted by Danville

Again, The scriptures have to be RIGHTLY divided! Isaiah 44:4--8 God says there is no God with me! He is contrasting Himself the true a living God with the false graven images! Yes,God is one ,BUT God has a Son NOW! We can not deny that because God has said so! Can we explain it? NO! We just take what God has said!

At 22nd and Bainbridge they teach that there are 2 on the throne. Thats why I ask if you were amember of this Org.

[MarieA27]

Originally Posted by johnny44

At 22nd and Bainbridge they teach that there are 2 on the throne. Thats why I ask if you were amember of this Org.

Are you talking about what Bishop SC Johnson taught, or what they're teaching there now under Shelton's sons etc.,?