Are you advocating that belief all by its little lonesome self saves?
Charlie ...if you go back ... a few pages you'll see that this was part of a discussion on being born of God ... that Felicity, Theo and I were having ... but if some would like to twist this verse for easy believism I would stand on your side of the fence.
Ferd did you really read verse 2???? Please analyze it ....And who has advocated non-obedience .????.. it's amazing ...
There I fixed it. my point is, you like to point out those scriptures that say we are saved when we love God but you seem to disreguard those that show the proof.
This notion that we dont have to do anything is silly.
Of course we cannot earn salvation, but that doesnt mean we are free to do what ever we want.
im getting tired head.
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I'm not a pci'er but I'm disappointed with the first post of this thread... How can CS make a statement like that when there is a plethora of documented evidence that suggests otherwise?
To be disappointed implies he has ANY sense of being obligated to you, or that you have any capacity to overview his thinking or expression. That's ridiculous. Who are you to be 'disappointed' in another person's post as if they have some responsibility to you? tv1a, isn't this really a subtle manipulation, when you say you are 'disappointed'?
afraid of being wrong is the common denominator .... in many aspects and issues.
This is definitely true in TF's attempt to spin the history to his particular bias! If you are trying to persuade anyone, you do not further your cause by citing anything from TF. He is a spin doctor with specific bias!
So when the cry comes up, "What must I do to be saved?", what is your answer?
I'm not Daniel, but my answer is somewhere between repentance and the list of "10,000 things that you must do exactly right or hell is your home" that the ultra-cons carry with them!
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I can only hope that I've made myself clear here, at least to you....at least to those that take the matter seriously
God Bless, Theo.
Theo,
I think you and I are understanding ONE thing differently...and that is WHO does the hearing. With tongues, others hear. With God speaking in your heart and mind, YOU hear.
That is what I believe this verse teaches, that if you are born of the Spirit, you, the newborn person, will hear the voice of God, NOT others around you.
__________________ Oh! That I may be found faithful!
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