The Persecution of Women in the Church

[Felicity]

Looks to me like Sis. Alvear has done her homework somewhere along the way.

[Sister Alvear]

In Acts 18:26 and 2 Timothy 4:19, the apostle Paul gives Priscilla the honor of first mention. Note also his salutation in Romans 16:3. Greet Pricilla and Aquila, my helpers in Christ Jesus. When Pricilla and Aqua heard him, they took him and expounded to him the way of God more perfectly (Acts 18:26). It is highly significant that both Pricilla and Aquila are named as instructing and illuminating Apollos. There can be no question that here is a woman engaged in teaching ministry, and she is teaching a man. Not that it may be the rule but probably the exception of the rule, which we will deal with in the order chapter. It is certainly not the rule but it has happened and does happen on many occasions. I personally have taught the gospel to both women and men. At the time there was no qualified man, other times pastors have ask me to come and teach on some subject that I was maybe more knowledgeable than them at that present moment. I do not feel I am wrong for I feel I am covered because I have their permission, I am covered through my pastor and my husband.

Only the prejudiced believer would say Paul did not have women workers with him. Some would say the women were along to cook, sew, etc., but not participating in spreading the gospel. Maybe they were making tea and coffee or washing the preacher’s clothes. But please note that Clement, a man, was doing the same thing because his name was mentioned with the women.

There is no hint in these passages that Paul regarded the work of these women as in any way inferior to his own. If we must always dwell on the disobedience of one woman, and blame her for the fall, then should we not equally dwell on the fact that it was the obedience of one woman that brought redemption to humanity?

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Subdued

If God's Word is not infallible, on what, then, can we rely????

And no one disagrees ... that's the kicker.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Felicity

Looks to me like Sis. Alvear has done her homework somewhere along the way.

It's refreshing to see someone addressing the issue ... instead of attacking the messenger.

[Barb]

Originally Posted by Felicity

Looks to me like Sis. Alvear has done her homework somewhere along the way.

Looks that way from my house, too...

[SDG]

Originally Posted by crazyhomie

Very interesting. I was raised in the hispanic apostolic church where the woman wore veils. My family still does. We were told in the UPC that the womans hair is her covering...interesting.

Well ... if you came from over there .... THEN YOU CAN'T BE APOSTOLIC ...


Just kidding .... my parents were saved in an Assembly church ... mom wore the veil for about 2 years.

You and I can appreciate how chauvinistic Latino culture meshed w/ the Church.

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

In Acts 18:26 and 2 Timothy 4:19, the apostle Paul gives Priscilla the honor of first mention. Note also his salutation in Romans 16:3. Greet Pricilla and Aquila, my helpers in Christ Jesus. When Pricilla and Aqua heard him, they took him and expounded to him the way of God more perfectly (Acts 18:26). It is highly significant that both Pricilla and Aquila are named as instructing and illuminating Apollos. There can be no question that here is a woman engaged in teaching ministry, and she is teaching a man. Not that it may be the rule but probably the exception of the rule, which we will deal with in the order chapter. It is certainly not the rule but it has happened and does happen on many occasions. I personally have taught the gospel to both women and men. At the time there was no qualified man, other times pastors have ask me to come and teach on some subject that I was maybe more knowledgeable than them at that present moment. I do not feel I am wrong for I feel I am covered because I have their permission, I am covered through my pastor and my husband.

Only the prejudiced believer would say Paul did not have women workers with him. Some would say the women were along to cook, sew, etc., but not participating in spreading the gospel. Maybe they were making tea and coffee or washing the preacher’s clothes. But please note that Clement, a man, was doing the same thing because his name was mentioned with the women.

There is no hint in these passages that Paul regarded the work of these women as in any way inferior to his own. If we must always dwell on the disobedience of one woman, and blame her for the fall, then should we not equally dwell on the fact that it was the obedience of one woman that brought redemption to humanity?

Excellent, Excellent, Excellent. Do you have an opinion as to what went wrong in the church since God's kingdom treats women with such high regard?

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Well ... if you came from over there .... THEN YOU CAN'T BE APOSTOLIC ...


Just kidding .... my parents were saved in an Assembly church ... mom wore the veil for about 2 years.

You and I can appreciate how chauvinistic Latino culture meshed w/ the Church.

Boy have I got some stories to tell you...at my Dad's funeral they couldn't get all the "ministers" on the platform so they brought chairs from the audience in front of everybody so they could all be seated in their place of "honor". My family was BIG in that movement and if I told you my last name, you probably have heard it mentioned.

[Sister Alvear]

Originally Posted by Felicity

Looks to me like Sis. Alvear has done her homework somewhere along the way.

You know my friend I wrote a book against W.B. teachings many years ago and took his book on marriage and divorce and broke it down showing why he was wrong teaching Serpent Seed doctrine and his stand against women in ministry. I am certainly not for loud mouthed unruly women but I do believe God does use meek and humble women in His eternal plan.



In the New Testament respect for women of God did not cease. Paul entrusted his message to the church of Rome in the hands of Phoebe. Paul commended her for a good job well done. She was a servant, to the church of Cenchrea (Romans 16:1). Though there are others, we don’t want to forget the Elect Lady honored by John in his second letter. Despite his words to her were few, he was lengthy on praise for her love for the Lord. This woman was used by God to raise spiritual children, which had a strong devotion to God.
In Mark 16:17, Jesus told all His believers women and men alike that signs shall follow them that believe. He then went on to say what kind of miraculous works each would do. Today, God still gives both men and women power, authority and anointing to heal the sick, cast out devils, raise the dead, preach the gospel, and minister to what is needed.
In the Old Testament the prophet Joel (2:28) said that after God poured out His Spirit upon all flesh that “…your sons and daughters shall prophesy.” The Hebrew word for “prophesy” is “naba`” which means to speak or sing under divine inspiration.
In Acts 2:17 Peter echoed those same words. The Greek word for “prophesy,” is “propheteuo” which means, “to foretell events, to make known one’s thoughts, to speak under divine inspiration, use a prophetic office or inspired preaching!” The old men did not immediately dream dreams on the day of Pentecost but it was speaking of future happenings. So this was the same in the prophesying of sons and daughters. That was yet to come.
The word “prophecy” is a noteworthy noun that means, “inspired declaration of God’s will and purpose.” Prophecy in the verb tense means “to proclaim by inspiration the Word of God.” Both means preaching and declaring God’s Word with inspiration. Tracing this word a little further we learn that part of the word means “luminousness” or like shining a light. The prefix “pro” of the Greek word “propheteuo” means “in front of.”
We can apply this word’s meaning to one that is divinely inspired to speak in front of others as to shine light on the Scriptures. Women of God have the same responsibility as the men to shine light on the Scriptures, as the Lord should lead.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by crazyhomie

Boy have I got some stories to tell you...at my Dad's funeral they couldn't get all the "ministers" on the platform so they brought chairs from the audience in front of everybody so they could all be seated in their place of "honor". My family was BIG in that movement and if I told you my last name, you probably have heard it mentioned.

I know many of those stories .....And of course a woman, in most of the Assembly churches, can't even smell the platform or pulpit.