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11-16-2014, 07:37 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
I also never said he was PART anything. He was FULLY God and FULLY Human, meaning He had ALL the qualities of Humanity and Divinity
If you deny He was both God AND Man but just man, then I am correct in saying Unitarianism
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When you say he added human qualities to his God person it sounds as if he were a Godman person. He would then be neither fully God or fully man.
Whats wrong with modalism? In one mode of being Yeshua is GOD THE FATHER. In another mode of being he is the Son of man.
Its both him.
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11-16-2014, 11:43 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Two persons. The Person of the man and God's Person of God with the second one becoming God at conception.
They are one what?
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The human person ofJesus is fashioned in the express image of God's own person.
Therefore, although we see the human person of the Son and the divine person of the Father, God's own person is revealed in...both.
They are one in that there is a union of spiritual being.
One divine person revealed in absolute divinity and full humanity, all in the person of the man, Christ Jesus. Jesus is therefore both man and God.
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11-17-2014, 10:06 AM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
Is Jesus Christ Lord in His humanity?
Should I have capitalized "H"umanity-- after all, it is Jesus Christ the Son of GOD we are talking about.
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11-17-2014, 09:23 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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When you say he added human qualities to his God person it sounds as if he were a Godman person.
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I have no idea what a godman person is. He is a person with two natures. Divine and Human
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He would then be neither fully God or fully man.
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Non Sequitor
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Whats wrong with modalism?
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I didn't say anything was wrong with Modalism. Modalism never taught two persons
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In one mode of being Yeshua is GOD THE FATHER. In another mode of being he is the Son of man.
Its both him.
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You are changing the narrative from Persons (Plural) to Modes (Plural)
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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11-17-2014, 09:23 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Originally Posted by Aquila
The human person ofJesus is fashioned in the express image of God's own person.
Therefore, although we see the human person of the Son and the divine person of the Father, God's own person is revealed in...both.
They are one in that there is a union of spiritual being.
One divine person revealed in absolute divinity and full humanity, all in the person of the man, Christ Jesus. Jesus is therefore both man and God.
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Still two persons
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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11-17-2014, 09:24 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Is Jesus Christ Lord in His humanity?
Should I have capitalized "H"umanity-- after all, it is Jesus Christ the Son of GOD we are talking about.
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what does that mean "In his humanity"? Lord is a title affixed to a person not a nature
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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11-17-2014, 09:57 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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what does that mean "In his humanity"? Lord is a title affixed to a person not a nature
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I think he's asking if LORD applies to the aspect of Him as a human being and not God.
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11-17-2014, 09:58 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Still two persons
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I have not followed all the posts. Forgive me, but are you saying dual nature demands two persons? I do not see that at all. Christ's person is not restricted to any specific nature. He is one person who manifested as a human being, but His person remains one and the same as God.
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11-18-2014, 02:17 AM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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I think he's asking if LORD applies to the aspect of Him as a human being and not God.
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Yahweh is Who He is
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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11-18-2014, 02:17 AM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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I have not followed all the posts. Forgive me, but are you saying dual nature demands two persons?
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No. Im saying Aquila believes Father and Son are two persons
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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