Perhaps. Background helps to define what kind of person we are dealing with though. And while there are exceptions to every rule, typically if it looks and clucks like a chicken...it probably is a chicken.
You assume a lot of things that don't appear to be true. Let's think this through slowly. First, if I am on a neighborhood watch and there have been break ins and such in my neighborhood I am going to have my eyes open. When I see a suspicious person walking around who doesn't appear familiar, perhaps doesn't belong int he neighborhood, I'm probably going to look into it. I would call the authorities as Zimmerman did, but lets not be fools about this. The average response time to a 911 call in some places is upwards of 30 minutes. The suspicious person is long gone by that time. Not to mention, the dispatcher did NOT tell Zim NOT to follow Trayvon. They said they didnt need him to do it. BIG difference.
Second, if you or I are following a person who appears suspicious...why would the person we are following feel the need to assault you or me? I can follow someone around and if they didn't like it, the normal response would be to ask me why I am following them or call the police if they were really worried, not come at me and attempt to smash my head into the ground. There is no report that Zimmerman did anything BUT follow Trayvon. You don't turn around and attack a person for following you. You ask why they are following you, run away, or call the police.
Now, if the person we are following does decide to turn around and attack us, to me it tells me two things: first that I was right to be suspicious of them because innocent people don't just attack other humands and second, I better defend myself. And if I am armed, you better believe the person attacking me is the one getting put down.
It amazes me that no matter how much we keep finding out about "innocne tlittle" Trayvon people just seem to ignore it. One person in the story is a neighborhood watch member, passed the checks to get a concealed carry, volunteered weekends to help minorites and was respected and liked by his neighbors...INCLUDING many blacks. The other was kicked out of school for drugs and has the appearance of yet another thug with gold teeth. Yet somehow...the good guy is the teen druggy here?
I too am not terribly swayed by the history of the people involved, but if you are I think it is terribly disingenuous to ignore Zimmerman's history. How do you reference the school record of a juvenile, but totally disregard the actual violent arrests of the adult?
Everything I read said that Zimmerman was a "self appointed" neighborhood watch captain, but I will go along with him being neighborhood watch. Neighborhood watches have certain stated principles that they go by for this very reason. First of all they are not to be armed. Secondly, they are to observe and call the police if they see anything and not chase down anybody. I would imagine that this case will be incorporated into future training.
I highlighted your run option because that's exactly what Zimmerman said he did...then he got out of the car to chase him.
At the end of the day, if the message you want to send is that it is okay for armed, grown men to start chasing teenagers around for no reason, I just have to disagree. What if it were a 17 year old white girl? Would that change anything in your mind?
And if you listen to the recording, it is obvious what dispatch is telling him they want him to do.
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Hard to represent someone when they have had to leave the state,maybe he doesnt need any representing right now also.
I read on Yahoo that they in fact never met him in person. This is just weird.
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I too am not terribly swayed by the history of the people involved, but if you are I think it is terribly disingenuous to ignore Zimmerman's history. How do you reference the school record of a juvenile, but totally disregard the actual violent arrests of the adult?
Everything I read said that Zimmerman was a "self appointed" neighborhood watch captain, but I will go along with him being neighborhood watch. Neighborhood watches have certain stated principles that they go by for this very reason. First of all they are not to be armed. Secondly, they are to observe and call the police if they see anything and not chase down anybody. I would imagine that this case will be incorporated into future training.
I highlighted your run option because that's exactly what Zimmerman said he did...then he got out of the car to chase him.
At the end of the day, if the message you want to send is that it is okay for armed, grown men to start chasing teenagers around for no reason, I just have to disagree. What if it were a 17 year old white girl? Would that change anything in your mind?
And if you listen to the recording, it is obvious what dispatch is telling him they want him to do.
Come on, tstew, a white girl? When have we had a white girl slipping around the back of townhouses? A young man of any color would raise questions, in the rain at night, do you want any man do that in your backyard. Martin may have made some every bad choices, that cost him his life.
Let's wait for the full evidence, if the evidence proves Zimmerman did nothing wrong, what will be your response? What will be the black community's in Stanford's response? More killing?
If the evidence proves Zimmerman is a fault, I support him being arrested and taken to trial. If not, his life is ruined, because the race baiters will hound him without end. The libs are going use this sad young man's death for political purposes for years to come, no matter how is turns out.
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Come on, tstew, a white girl? When have we had a white girl slipping around the back of townhouses? A young man of any color would raise questions, in the rain at night, do you want any man do that in your backyard. Martin may have made some every bad choices, that cost him his life.
Let's wait for the full evidence, if the evidence proves Zimmerman did nothing wrong, what will be your response? What will be the black community's in Stanford's response? More killing?
If the evidence proves Zimmerman is a fault, I support him being arrested and taken to trial. If not, his life is ruined, because the race baiters will hound him without end. The libs are going use this sad young man's death for political purposes for years to come, no matter how is turns out.
As the high priest said, "better that one man should die, than the whole nation perish".
You assume a lot of things that don't appear to be true. Let's think this through slowly. First, if I am on a neighborhood watch and there have been break ins and such in my neighborhood I am going to have my eyes open. When I see a suspicious person walking around who doesn't appear familiar, perhaps doesn't belong int he neighborhood, I'm probably going to look into it. I would call the authorities as Zimmerman did, but lets not be fools about this. The average response time to a 911 call in some places is upwards of 30 minutes. The suspicious person is long gone by that time. Not to mention, the dispatcher did NOT tell Zim NOT to follow Trayvon. They said they didnt need him to do it. BIG difference.
Second, if you or I are following a person who appears suspicious...why would the person we are following feel the need to assault you or me? I can follow someone around and if they didn't like it, the normal response would be to ask me why I am following them or call the police if they were really worried, not come at me and attempt to smash my head into the ground. There is no report that Zimmerman did anything BUT follow Trayvon. You don't turn around and attack a person for following you. You ask why they are following you, run away, or call the police.
Now, if the person we are following does decide to turn around and attack us, to me it tells me two things: first that I was right to be suspicious of them because innocent people don't just attack other humands and second, I better defend myself. And if I am armed, you better believe the person attacking me is the one getting put down.
It amazes me that no matter how much we keep finding out about "innocne tlittle" Trayvon people just seem to ignore it. One person in the story is a neighborhood watch member, passed the checks to get a concealed carry, volunteered weekends to help minorites and was respected and liked by his neighbors...INCLUDING many blacks. The other was kicked out of school for drugs and has the appearance of yet another thug with gold teeth. Yet somehow...the good guy is the teen druggy here?
Come on, tstew, a white girl? When have we had a white girl slipping around the back of townhouses? A young man of any color would raise questions, in the rain at night, do you want any man do that in your backyard. Martin may have made some every bad choices, that cost him his life.
Let's wait for the full evidence, if the evidence proves Zimmerman did nothing wrong, what will be your response? What will be the black community's in Stanford's response? More killing?
If the evidence proves Zimmerman is a fault, I support him being arrested and taken to trial. If not, his life is ruined, because the race baiters will hound him without end. The libs are going use this sad young man's death for political purposes for years to come, no matter how is turns out.
Do you think girls don't do that? I did, back in the day. And yes, I was up to no good. And I was caught by an off duty cop.
I really think Trayvon decided to fight, when he realized this guy was not a cop. Just somebody following and confronting him. And I believe that Zimmerman made the first aggressive move.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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