Isaiah 3 and jewelry...

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

I don't think anyone should push it on you, and I don't think anyone should condemn you if you like it. Some girls/women love all the extras, some don't. Be yourself.

Yes, we are supposed to be ourselves without undo pressure from any group.

I remember this guy, from years ago before I was living for God, that came into some money. He was not attractive and overweight to boot. Didn't work for the money he had, it was given to him. A friend of mine wanted to run by his condo, can't remember why. We were talking and this guy says to me, "You should be wearing clear polish on your nails." I held up my hands and said, "I am wearing clear polish."

He thought he was so important that he could dictate how I needed to present myself in order to be accepted into his little clique. Totally ticked me off!! I really wanted to tell him that he was fat and ugly and didn't have any right or business to tell me how to dress. Boy, this thread brings back so many memories of the pressure the world puts on women.

Looks like we are getting it coming and going. Don't do it. Do it. LOL!

[Maximilian]

Originally Posted by Mirth1981

Even the world knows that true beauty comes from the inside, and not just from the outside. There's a new reality tv show called "True Beauty" and the basis for it is that the contestants are super models who think they will win the show based on their looks, but what they don't know is it is mostly based on their integrity and good character. I wouldn't recommend this show because it can get risque', but I did find the premise very interesting.

I think we pay a great deal of lip service to this ideal. Everything else in contemporary mass media says otherwise.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

I think we pay a great deal of lip service to this ideal. Everything else in contemporary mass media says otherwise.

Oh my goodness!! Hello!!! Exactly!!! Thank you!!!!

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

I believe it does. My daughter did her nails - and then a few days later, she said - "Why is it that I feel so much more like a girl when I have my nails done?"

It is a woman's nature to fix herself up, and I think we go against God's design when we condemn it.

Just as much as when they preach it is sin to have facial hair on a man. We go against the nature of man that God created in us to go around preaching you can't have a beard or mustache, or your hair must be off the ears etc.

It is very simple realy Paul and Peter were saying that we are to understand that our holiness does "not" come from the clothes we put on or the external things we use to try and make ourselves feel better about ourselves. But from the hidden man of the heart. This by no means says it is sin to put on Gold. But then some will not see what is right before their eyes till God himself come down and shows them. But thats ok Because.
stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
Rom 14:22 Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.
Rom 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
As long as they see these things as sin they are sin to them.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I wasn't raised Pentecostal and so I have been on the other side of adornment. As much as we want some to stop condemning outward adornment, I was sick of the world pushing it on me.

I know what it's like to never go out without my lip liner, always looking in the mirror when I passed by a mirror, dabbing under your eyes to make sure your mascara is not smeared, touching up the blush, never going out without my face on. Haircuts, hair dye, manicure, pedicure......

I was selling Lancome, on a part-time basis and was working the floor alone one night. I remember walking up to one of the full length mirrors and began to smear all of my makeup while saying, "I am so sick of looking at your face!" I then went back to my area, took it all off and remade myself. The pressure of all of that can be very overwhelming and tiring.

So, on the same token, I'm sick of the world making a women feel that she is unattractive if she doesn't fix up according to the world's standards. Who are they to say what we need to look like? Look like what? Something you don't look like when you take it off. I used to sleep without taking off my mascara because I didn't want to have my normal face. Sheesh! And the men that condone all of this, well, I can't say it in polite society. They are only adding to that pressure. Go grow some hair, get rid of the paunch and then come talk to us.

Well said, but, trust me, you're wasting your time w/ this bunch! They twist the Scriptures to their own destruction. But, you make some good points.
God bless....rdp.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

Just as much as when they preach it is sin to have facial hair on a man. We go against the nature of man that God created in us to go around preaching you can't have a beard or mustache, or your hair must be off the ears etc.

Hmmm, our fingernails also naturally grow...do you ever clip them down? Why then scorn us for keeping a neat facial appearance, when you keep a neat hand appearance?????????????

It is very simple realy Paul and Peter were saying that we are to understand that our holiness does "not" come from the clothes we put on or the external things we use to try and make ourselves feel better about ourselves. But from the hidden man of the heart. This by no means says it is sin to put on Gold.

"not...the wearing of gold..." & "not with gold" couldn't be plainer!

But then some will not see what is right before their eyes till God himself come down and shows them.

Yes, such as those who attempt to erase & twist God's Word as you do above & in almost every other post that you make.



But thats ok Because.
stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
Rom 14:22 Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.
Rom 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
As long as they see these things as sin they are sin to them.

Ughh, I Tim. 2 & I Ptr. 3 w/ its prohibition against ornamental beauty was written to the NT church. Do you claim to be a part of the NT church? Then obey the instructions to it & put down your eraser.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by rdp

Ughh, I Tim. 2 & I Ptr. 3 w/ its prohibition against ornamental beauty was written to the NT church. Do you claim to be a part of the NT church? Then obey the instructions to it & put down your eraser.

I could quote you almost verbatim after this thread. You are a record on repeat.

It's not an eraser, it's interpretation, the same interpretation you use to determine that the "NOT" in other passages isn't prohibitive, but rather exhortive.... that the "NOT" is not the subject, it serves as a descriptive modifier for the "but"

It'd be one thing if you still disagreed, but you have yet to show a little intellectual fortitude by showing you see that. Instead you just repeat the following:

"Can't you read NOT?"
"Put away your eraser!"

All straw men arguments and cloaked with ignorance.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

Why, how nice of you to stop in O' great "scholar". Now, let's handle your tired, worn out "arguments."

I could quote you almost verbatim after this thread. You are a record on repeat.

I see, & I suppose you've offered "new" material !



It's not an eraser, it's interpretation, the same interpretation you use to determine that the "NOT" in other passages isn't prohibitive, but rather exhortive.... that the "NOT" is not the subject, it serves as a descriptive modifier for the "but"

Oh, you mean like when you fella's appealled to speaking words & eating food to nullify decorative ornamentation on the temple of God!?!? Ever heard of "Non-Sequiter"? Oh, I forgot, unless the logical fallacies come out of your chimney...it ain't smoke!

It'd be one thing if you still disagreed, but you have yet to show a little intellectual fortitude by showing you see that.

Yes, & I suppose you comparing "not" speaking & "not" eating w/ "not the wearing of gold" smacks of "intellectual fortitude"??? I can't help but smile at you Jeffrey ol' chap!
Instead you just repeat the following:

"Can't you read NOT?"
"Put away your eraser!"

And I still say that the Bible means what it says...esp. instructions to the NT church. But speaking of "repeating," you just keep saying that "not" in I Tim. 2 & I Ptr. 3 really somehow means just the opposite. Yet, when we get to Eph. & Rom....Oooops, now it's time for the Jeffrey shuffle! Seriously...you're a hoot.

All straw men arguments and cloaked with ignorance.

"The world, through wisdom, did not know God." I've got enough brains to read the Book & believe it, which is more than I can say for you. See thyself......seriously.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by rdp

"The world, through wisdom, did not know God." I've got enough brains to read the Book & believe it, which is more than I can say for you. See thyself......seriously.

You are good at talking to yourself, rdp, ol chap.

I almost was tempted to refute all your lame swipes, then I realized I already did that about a dozen times in this thread. I'll spare the air.

I'm off to go polish my rings. Have a great evening.

[Truthseeker]

Any one address the other nots in the bible that were not literally not???

Like "labor not for meat"

"love not in word"