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Old 07-24-2008, 01:02 PM
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Since the procedure was illegal how were the statistics kept?
Maternal morbidity. That means the actual numbers are probably even higher.
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Re: Is the Media Unfair to McCain?

just curious, you know this how, oh thats right you dont, lol
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Maternal morbidity. That means the actual numbers are probably even higher.
Millions of women died?
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Old 07-24-2008, 01:05 PM
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And that my friend is why you and millions more won’t be able to afford health insurance in another 5 or 10 years.



I know. And I feel you. I think it’s terrible. But my concern is with what I have direct influence over. I can’t control what others do or choose to do. But if my wife were in need of an abortive procedure to save her life I think that the choice to abort or not to abort should be ours without any Government bureaucrat trying to please some freaked out right wing lobby who could care less about my wife’s health.



Not “care” but “insurance”. The decisions, choice of provider, etc are still all on the individual. But yep, you see why I have a soft spot for it. There are a number of ways we can try to deal with it. Do I think we’re going to get a universal system? Not really. Do I think we will see efforts to reduce cost? Under Democrats yes.

Like I said, you have a strong case against universal health insurance or health care. And for that reason, I think choice is best left in the hands of individuals.

Hardly thousands. Hundreds maybe. While I believe that individuals should have the insurance needed for health care…I still think they should maintain the right to make life’s most difficult decisions.

Bro…I’ve repeatedly stated I’m not for national health care…just insurance. Care, choice of doctors, procedures, etc. are all still very much on the individual through the very same private providers in place today. I’m only talking money…not regulation. Just funding. But like I said, we’ve talked at length. You’ve made some very good arguments why it would backfire. And in consideration of those points, I submit to you that choice in regards to this issue is best left in the hands of individuals.

It’s a complex issue. But get it right…universal health insurance…say it with me…insurance. Not “nationalized health care”.
There is no such thing as a governemnt required system that is not/does not become a nationalized system. (see our friend Ron who cant get a simple surgery because there arent enough doctors to go around).

See britian that has been talking about turning linnens over to avoid washing to cut costs.

sorry. I aint buying what your selling.
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Old 07-24-2008, 01:07 PM
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Following the nationwide legalization of abortion in 1973, the U.S. abortion rate increased over the next several years, peaking in 1980 at 29 per 1,000 women;
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Maternal morbidity. That means the actual numbers are probably even higher.
Don't know if you realize that Guttmacher is a pro-choice organization and they dispute your assertions.
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Old 07-24-2008, 01:51 PM
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Re: Is the Media Unfair to McCain?

This conversation is stuck in one big loop. Can we get back to arguing over Obama and McCain? That's a whole lot more fun than arguing over abortion. I'll get the ball started:
VOTE FOR OBAMA!
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Old 07-24-2008, 01:52 PM
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This conversation is stuck in one big loop. Can we get back to arguing over Obama and McCain? That's a whole lot more fun than arguing over abortion. I'll get the ball started:
VOTE FOR OBAMA!
Obama is ugly and has big ears!

Vote McCain because he wont live long enough to mess things up!
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This conversation is stuck in one big loop. Can we get back to arguing over Obama and McCain? That's a whole lot more fun than arguing over abortion. I'll get the ball started:
VOTE FOR OBAMA!
Maybe he will like it over in Europe, where they have already implemented all his policies, and decide to stay.
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Old 07-24-2008, 01:56 PM
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Obama is ugly and has big ears!

Vote McCain because he wont live long enough to mess things up!
Ok, Ferd, you made me laugh out loud today! And my office door is open, so all my minions think I'm crazy!
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Old 07-24-2008, 02:00 PM
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Re: Is the Media Unfair to McCain?

i like it ferd can you get the mccain folks to use it, lol
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