That tape became unavailable real fast. A friend of mine still has a copy of Tragedies I will see if I can get a copy of it. He is in Germany for the next month but I will see if he can duplicate it for me.
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Originally Posted by notofworks
I have an old tape of some nutso stuff Lee Stoneking said. Just crazy. And completely misquoted scripture...(He shall beautify the meek with holiness). How come they don't confiscate his stuff?
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Originally Posted by pelathais
I would be interested in a copy too, Baron.
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If I can get a copy of it again I will be posting it somewhere.
Even if it was public knowledge, the org would say that these men were reprobate and needed to be silenced for the sake of the gospel.
The one with Stoneking... I don't know, people love kool-aid! I would probably be preached at the next prophecy conference.
Pel, kids are dropping out of churches all across America, not just Oneness. If they are dropping out of OP churches I'd venture it has more to do with the standards than 3 step
The "... or hell" thing seems to go hand-in-hand with unbiblical "standards."
Will the rest of the Christian world welcome it? Will they allow it? Do they interact with Oneness?
There already is a lot of interaction in certain areas. It's not all "those OPs"...since many look down on OPs as cultists, they really don't want any interaction other than debate.
David Bernard is a member of a Pentecostal group that is not strictly Oneness. There is presented a paper on the Oneness. Our leaders have met with AOG leaders and others for open dialogs too. But other segments of "Christianity" you might find harder to get interaction from
Probably not if your only agenda is to teach them the truth.
I have NEVER had a problem with any churches that I have done stuff for, and with, coming from a Oneness background. I have taught Sunday School for an Assembly of God church, I have been in leadership both in Non-denominational and CEA churches. I have done youth activities with Oneness churches and Open Bible churches. The key is I am not there to shove something down their throat, I am there to work with them on whatever level I can.
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I think Tragedies of War needs to be published online along with a video interview of Loren. Also would love to publish a live interview with Ruth Nortje Goss.
This is a great idea. What do you say we make it happen?
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Probably not if your only agenda is to teach them the truth.
I have NEVER had a problem with any churches that I have done stuff for, and with, coming from a Oneness background. I have taught Sunday School for an Assembly of God church, I have been in leadership both in Non-denominational and CEA churches. I have done youth activities with Oneness churches and Open Bible churches. The key is I am not there to shove something down their throat, I am there to work with them on whatever level I can.
Will the rest of the Christian world welcome it? Will they allow it? Do they interact with Oneness?
There already is a lot of interaction in certain areas. It's not all "those OPs"...since many look down on OPs as cultists, they really don't want any interaction other than debate.
David Bernard is a member of a Pentecostal group that is not strictly Oneness. There is presented a paper on the Oneness. Our leaders have met with AOG leaders and others for open dialogs too. But other segments of "Christianity" you might find harder to get interaction from
I didn't think Lee Grady's 1997 article in Charisma magazine was a closed-fisted approach to Oneness Pentecostals. It featured critique, but also a hope that there would be fellowship. I think if there is more working together, it comes at the expense of not trying to convert each other to their contended view, but really enjoying each other's fellowship in love. As long as you think the other brother is going to the hot place, is deluded and deceived, then it's not really possibly to have genuine fellowship.
I think you're right that AOG and independent charismatic groups are more likely to fellowship with oneness pentecostals than other groups. I think the Oneness doctrine is just one stumbling block of many for these other groups. The obvious outward distinctions, emphasis on salvation by tongues, etc all additional issues to overcome.
I think one bright spot has been the presence of Oneness Pentecostals at the Society for Pentecostal Studies. I wouldn't look for them anytime soon at the WCC though.
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