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11-28-2007, 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Truthseeker
Right, people keep saying pay your firstfruist when no one can, Unless your a farmer.
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That isn't true, unless you think "fruit" only means "peaches and apples."
You can estimate yearly like mfb says, or many people estimate their monthly income and pay tithes at the beginning of the month on what they will make.
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11-28-2007, 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
That isn't true, unless you think "fruit" only means "peaches and apples."
You can estimate yearly like mfb says, or many people estimate their monthly income and pay tithes at the beginning of the month on what they will make.
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Scripturally speaking, firstfruist were crops and never money. Also tithes was not firstfruits.
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11-28-2007, 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by mfblume
There is a way to pay firstfruits, though. Just, by faith, consider how much God will give to you in the entire year, and give at the start of the year accordingly as representation of that yet-to-come income.
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No way my brother. no way to determine fristfruits with income. What was fristfruits?? The first harvest.
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11-28-2007, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Truthseeker
No way my brother. no way to determine fristfruits with income. What was fristfruits?? The first harvest.
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By faith. I heard a guy preach on it, and it was pretty good stuff!
Also if you KNOW your annual income, you also know how much firstfruits to give.
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11-28-2007, 03:56 PM
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By faith. I heard a guy preach on it, and it was pretty good stuff!
Also if you KNOW your annual income, you also know how much firstfruits to give.
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that's the thing. firstfruits were not measurable ahead of time. It was the first harvest of a crop.
How much is firstfruits of income? Many would say firstfruits is tithes but no one has yet to give scripture to support. Now whether one beliebes in tithing or not, it's error to say firstfruits is tithes. I would like scripture shown if I'm wrong on this.
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11-28-2007, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Truthseeker
that's the thing. firstfruits were not measurable ahead of time. It was the first harvest of a crop.
How much is firstfruits of income? Many would say firstfruits is tithes but no one has yet to give scripture to support. Now whether one beliebes in tithing or not, it's error to say firstfruits is tithes. I would like scripture shown if I'm wrong on this.
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I never said firstfruits are tithes.
I have some notes on how we can give firstfruits, and will post it.
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11-28-2007, 03:59 PM
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I never said firstfruits are tithes.
I have some notes on how we can give firstfruits, and will post it.
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OK But most do.
Do you agree firstfruits was the first harvesting of a crop??
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11-28-2007, 03:59 PM
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OK But most do.
Do you agree firstfruits was the first harvesting of a crop??
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Yep. But it was given in three sorts of allotments. One had a choice of three measures to give.
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11-29-2007, 02:00 PM
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fyi-my tithes have always been on the gross, not net. that should cover it.
Last edited by winklebottom; 11-29-2007 at 03:12 PM.
Reason: spelling
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11-30-2007, 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Coffee99
I don't believe it is a salvational issue. However, if the people in the church aren't giving money, how does the pastor get paid?
I do believe that if one is a true Christian, one should donate time, skills, and/or money to the poor or to the church or the elderly or a group that can use that time, skill or dollars. But, it must be done out of love and with gladness, not duty.
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Paul worked to support himself. Many pastors do too. There are churches that are sustained by teaching the principles of free will giving. They may not be "mega-churches" but they exist and they are normally more interested in launching daughter works throughout their community and using those who are called to ministry than building a multi-million dollar mega-church kingdom on one side of town.
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